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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #200 on: March 19, 2023, 12:11:29 AM »
Check that the lower triple is OK and straight tube for steering head.

I have one planned for a build. Noticed that lower bearing race was cracked. Easier to remove it for tapered bearings I thought.

Could not stop thinking about why it has cracked. It must have been a collision.
Noticed the tube looked strange just over the lower bearing. It looked stretched with plastic deformation. Could see it was slightly bent.


I had to order a better. I needed a euro version with oval "seat" for steering lock.

Internet is full with version with round ones, probably US.

Found an OK one in Netherlands. The difference is clear when comparing them.

I'm glad for you Per,that you found the bent steerer tube and will be replacing the lower triple;that must have had a collision at some time in the past. I would not want to drive the bike with that bad part.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2023, 01:33:18 AM »
My brown K2 has the lowers from the fork with that lower triple. They look OK. I already had a triple I got with that frame.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #202 on: March 19, 2023, 07:57:59 AM »
 Good point, one set came off of a wrecked frame.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #203 on: March 19, 2023, 08:04:44 PM »
 I took a look at gauges tonight, the K1's colors are off a bit, housings are nice. I have new faces, jewels and proper paint for the needle tip.
  My plan is to move the existing lower tapered race to the F tree and I can assemble the turbo bike frame. That will leave the Rat Race's parts ready for the tapered bearings when they arrive.

 I've discovered modified 550 triple trees on the RR. The offset on them is 45mm, less than cb750F and way less than cb750K. I still believe I'll proceed with the K1 triples and gauges.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #204 on: March 25, 2023, 02:26:54 PM »
 Those K1 gauges should be on this K1 bike. 
 But the aftermarket headlight ears make the headlight too high, the fork tubes are rusty I should swap them out, top tree was broken on both sides, dang the old triple trees were modified cb500, rebuild a set of forks, put them on the turbo drag bike, put those forks on the Hot Rod,  lower to match the drag bike stance, another set of brakes looks nicer, clean and paint a 750K lower tree, I like those aftermarket cast aluminum headlight ears, the neck has the ball bearings, so I need to order tapered bearings, oops someone boogered up the lower frame neck bearing area, need to smooth that out, got the new taper bearings on the tree, greased and pressed them on, new fork tubes on, new headlight ears on, dang handlebar wiring goes through the triple tree, unwire everything, I should swap to a black headlight bucket in case the paint color changes,  Dang need to feed the clutch cable through the triple trees, loosen, adjust,  tighten,  I should put the new faces on the gauges, they look shabby. All that's left is the front wheel, brakes, wiring, gauge rebuild, headlight bucket paint, the top tree could use some attention too, LED parking light headlight bulb,  etc,etc,etc.

 At least the turbo bike's frame is rolling again.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #205 on: March 26, 2023, 12:37:46 AM »
 The lower neck bearing area looked like someone pulled or pressed a race in there crooked as heck. It almost looked like threads were rubbing on it with a big oval groove. Anyway, I had a flap wheel that was the correct od to hone it out. The new race went in snugly.
 The old race came out in pieces so it's wonderful that I got it fixed.
 I've always been a fan of getting a bike running to see what it needs. This one may have been the exception, it may have been better if it hadn't freed up and ran.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #206 on: March 26, 2023, 12:46:16 AM »
Wich ears do you have?
I have cheap aftermarket on my K6.
Earlier a better looking that got a hit and cracked so cheapy went on.
I have new better looking to replace the cheaper with holes. Recent photo after mounting auxillary HI lamps
(Throttle cables a little bit too long but functional.)


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The better looking headlight brackets I ordered from Vintagecb750 2012.
For 35mm forks, no rubber inside.
There are similar with different thickness of rubbers to fit thicker forks.

Not in stock today.
I found new sets in Netherlands, a cafe bike shop. No longer in stock.

I found here now.
https://www.geoffsxs.com.au/OpenCart/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=218
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CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #207 on: March 26, 2023, 03:44:42 PM »
 I got the Emgo cast ears with the plastic bushings, previously someone here sold me a set like those for the 35mm forks with no bushings they are on the turbo bike's frame.  I got the new ones from 4into1, some of the guys here don't like their quality but I've had good luck with them so far.
 I assembled a DSS European headlight bulb with the park lamp in a set of reproduction trim, I'm going to use an LED park bulb as a key on headlight. I put USA-K0 type switches on the 400F bars already so I'll leave them on. 
 My concern is that I've lowered it too much, but I'll test it before taking things apart again.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #208 on: March 27, 2023, 12:16:07 PM »
 This wiring is a treat, new aftermarket right and left controls, extra wires, yellow and yellow/white that make a switch when the headlight is on, maybe for the park lamp or I've seen an extra circuit on a cb450 control also. Racing mods also since a lot of the oem parts were left at home.

 The headlight bucket end of the gr/yl horn wire was pulled back into the coil harness and comes out with the blk/wh, I have no idea why. The aftermarket switch horn wire is light green rather than a gr/yl striped wire. No worries since I have no horn anyway, the oil cooler takes up that space and the Gerex ign. box was also there before I moved it to a cooler area.
  Dale Walker used the horn button to activate a compressed air boost for his turbo on his record holding bike.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #209 on: March 27, 2023, 09:49:12 PM »
 I got a rock hard front brake, nothing at all except a stone stuck lever. It did bleed right out so the piston must be frozen in place. I'll try the caliper in a bucket and pump it out trick, if that fails it's the grease guns turn.
 Or I can just use the less pretty caliper that was on it before.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race?
« Reply #210 on: March 28, 2023, 04:26:45 PM »
 I put the old caliper back on it, not perfect but a minimum of drag. I need a few new seals, a piston or two and some caliper paint or stripper. The last couple projects are going to need at least three more K calipers and one SS caliper rebuilt.   
 The pretty one was rusted solid, it took two hands to pump the piston out. daaaang.

 Anyway, it's a runner. The primary chain is loud and the spring on the tensioner appears weak but it's not smoking for the moment. The header drags in right turns, I need to raise the bike back up a bit. 
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #211 on: March 30, 2023, 12:13:33 AM »
 I put a set of twin cam shocks on the back, tomorrow it's supposed to be nice out so maybe it can get a ring break in ride or two.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #212 on: March 30, 2023, 07:57:22 AM »
Loud primary? Isn't that pretty serious?
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #213 on: March 30, 2023, 08:27:16 AM »
 It can be serious, I'm hoping a carb sync will quiet it down. It seems quieter since it ran a few miles. The plugs didn't look bad so the chance of a miss.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #214 on: March 30, 2023, 09:28:31 AM »
Have you messured the primary chain slack?
Remove oil pan and measure. Max 70mm from gasket surface to tensioner.
New chains ca 65mm or slightly less.

New CCC heavy duty chains were closer to 64.5mm in my K6, before running them.

If oil pump keep oil in tank max 1L oil in pan

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CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #215 on: March 30, 2023, 10:14:39 AM »
  Thanks for that info, you saved me looking it up, the oil pump is holding the tank oil level so that's good.
  I did fix the gasket to the oil pan and chap stick to the top side so it will come off repeatedly. I will measure the slack after one more test ride. I wanted to run fresh oil through and then check the pickup and oil pan again. 
  That lovely brake caliper was petrified inside, I ordered parts to re-freshen a couple to have on hand. I mistakenly thought it was already serviced.
  I plan to take the wiring harness back apart to un-do some work the PO had done. It has a single glass fuse that needs to go. I want a three fuse blade type holder, The LED in the park position lights the bulb oddly, I'll put a regular bulb back in it to test. The Marchal reflector pattern was superior with an LED bulb.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #216 on: March 30, 2023, 02:33:44 PM »
 It has 5 miles on it now, I put a set of longer progressive springs in the forks and DOHC shocks in back, no more bottoming out, and it rides nicely. I went on search of bumps and it didn't hit bottom on the ones it did before.
 The awful chain noise I heard before is replaced by the rocker arm noise from the RC315 valve lash. I'm unsure why, but I'll take it. The second oil change looks clear, and I gave it a little Rislone to assist with flushing out the old oil and whatever.
  I still plan to ride a few more miles and change the oil again and re-check the oil sump and filter. 
 
  And, as I mentioned in the pissed off thread, I totally ripped the ass out of my favorite blue jeans, and didn't even notice.   
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #217 on: March 31, 2023, 10:59:12 AM »
  I decided to beat the bad weather and did the same 10 mile test loop as before.
  At the furthest point from home it started missing below 3,000 rpm. When I turned into the park where the twisties are, it was already running poorly so I headed for home. As I fiddled with the throttle it took off like a rocket, 3,000 rpm was the magic number. I let the rpm drop too much at a stop sign and it died just like last time.
  It does kick hard so maybe it wasn't really seized up before. It did for sure, need new rings and the head rebuilt so I got that out of the way. I got it started up again just as a police car turned around to check on me.
  When I turned the headlight off, leaving just the LED park lamp on it instantly ran better. That tells me it's a voltage related issue. I haven't tested any components yet since I just got home. It has an older battery and the Gerex ignition, Scottly (I think) has run his Gerex for years with no issues. I don't have the lightened rotor on it right now or my 750A charging system. I plan to do both soon.
  Ignition or cam or whatever, this thing is a beast above 3,000 rpm. After lunch, I'll get the meter out and see what's up. 
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #218 on: March 31, 2023, 02:29:11 PM »
  I decided to beat the bad weather and did the same 10 mile test loop as before.
  At the furthest point from home it started missing below 3,000 rpm. When I turned into the park where the twisties are, it was already running poorly so I headed for home. As I fiddled with the throttle it took off like a rocket, 3,000 rpm was the magic number. I let the rpm drop too much at a stop sign and it died just like last time.
  It does kick hard so maybe it wasn't really seized up before. It did for sure, need new rings and the head rebuilt so I got that out of the way. I got it started up again just as a police car turned around to check on me.
  When I turned the headlight off, leaving just the LED park lamp on it instantly ran better. That tells me it's a voltage related issue. I haven't tested any components yet since I just got home. It has an older battery and the Gerex ignition, Scottly (I think) has run his Gerex for years with no issues. I don't have the lightened rotor on it right now or my 750A charging system. I plan to do both soon.
  Ignition or cam or whatever, this thing is a beast above 3,000 rpm. After lunch, I'll get the meter out and see what's up.

I thinking you're winning on 'The Rat Race' Don  ;)
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs!
« Reply #219 on: March 31, 2023, 04:21:38 PM »
  I'm happy to report I found the problem.
  The red and white shielded wire from the V reg in the wiring harness was not plugged into the start relay wire, the female side insulator was loose and the male side had a severe case of dangle so I gave it a Viagra and crimped on a set of big bullet connectors. No wonder it ran out of battery. 
  I now know it will go 16 miles on battery and one more with the headlight off.  I have learned how to check a rectifier and voltage regulator and know the nice looking one I used is like new inside.
  I have an idea why it ran so good over 3K rpm, even with the charging system not connected at all. The electrical load must reduce when the Gerex stops multi sparking. 
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs! Again!
« Reply #220 on: March 31, 2023, 04:30:46 PM »
I hope you have a good 'next ride' on that bike now Don.  :)
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs! Again!
« Reply #221 on: March 31, 2023, 04:50:35 PM »
  Thanks, third time's a charm!
   I love the progressive front springs and the dohc shocks. The same bumps that used to make me cringe were not bad at all. It's funny, when the police stopped, the old Rat Race got scared and started right up! 

  I used to be a really good problem solver and diagnosis guy, this bike totally makes me feel foolish. Every time I'm sure what it needs... nope. Something else.
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs! Again!
« Reply #222 on: April 01, 2023, 12:56:55 PM »
 The charging system looks OK today, I plan to check the amp draw on the Gerex just for my own information.
 For the first time since I drug it home a year and half ago, it could be run just as it sits. I topped the fuel off with my blend of storage gas made of 91 octane no alcohol and avgas.

 I lost the knob off of the trip meter. I remember oiling it last week so it would come off later when I put the new faces on. That Blaster really works.
 I'll leave this here for safe keeping.

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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs! Again!
« Reply #223 on: April 04, 2023, 10:17:52 AM »
 Next up on this one I want to put in stock clutch discs. I think it has the red frictions and are a little grabby. 

 I'm going for a test ride, if I'm not back in an hour, go get the trailer and follow the route backwards. L0L!
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Re: K1 Hot Rod back together. The Rat Race runs! Again!
« Reply #224 on: April 07, 2023, 01:09:41 PM »
 It made the test loop with great success. For the first time it didn't kill the battery, made it to 90mph on the
 4-lane bypass. I caught up with traffic so didn't push it further.
 The voltmeter dies out when I step on the brake pedal which tells me that I tied the meter into the front brake light wires not the horn wires. That explains why they are hot with key on and work without me pushing the horn button. I wonder where the real horn wires went?  The front brake line is one piece direct connect at the moment. I always brake with both ends so the brake light will come on when it needs to. Just under 14 volts even at lower rpm's. I think I can afford to use a lightened rotor.   
 It turns 4,000 rpm at 50 mph so it might hit a hundred mph and 8K redline at the end of the quarter mile.
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