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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2022, 05:29:22 AM »
Hi Dave, who supplies cast iron discs?
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Alternatively, there's stainless steel, like the EBC floating rotor. https://ebcbrakes.com/products/vmd-vintage-style-brake-discs/. I installed one on my CB750, and it was a noticeable improvement over stock. I've also had CB750s with dual disks and the single EBC stopped the bike just as well.
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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2022, 07:21:49 AM »
If you are concerned about unsprung weight, you can get the stock disks thinned and drilled.  Godfreys Garage does this service https://godfferysgarage.com  After thinning and drilling the weight of both disks is only slightly higher than a standard single disk.  I'm happy with the dual disk setup on my K1.  I have thinned and drilled disks from Godfrey and use the standard master cylinder with stainless steel braided lines.  I run the stock speedometer drive and had the 2nd disk carrier milled out to hold it.





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Re: doing a duel disk conversion now
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2022, 07:41:58 AM »
While I am a fan of the dual disc conversion, it's pretty unnecessary from a practical standpoint. I am allowed only one disc on my race bike and the stock SS disc, Brembo master and AP caliper is enough to howl the front tire during hard braking. Granted my bike is quite a bit lighter than stock but it works exceptionally well.

How did you connect the brake switch? I'm doing the same with a double banjo bolt with pressure switch built in. (Venhill)

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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2022, 08:25:42 AM »
[...] who supplies cast iron discs?
Cheers,
Kevin
Brembo (Italy) makes them. May be hard to find them in US, because downside is they get rusty and Americans prefer shiny things. But Brembo is best.
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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2022, 12:41:07 PM »
While I am a fan of the dual disc conversion, it's pretty unnecessary from a practical standpoint. I am allowed only one disc on my race bike and the stock SS disc, Brembo master and AP caliper is enough to howl the front tire during hard braking. Granted my bike is quite a bit lighter than stock but it works exceptionally well.
slik...would love to try a better single caliper.  When you gonna start cranking out those caliper brackets for members here?

Long as its for the GL fork, I can set you up. I have the designs for the early and later spacing of the 37mm GL fork bolts. Making a contraption fit the stock forks with swinging caliper arm is something I don't have much appetite for.
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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2022, 01:47:48 PM »
[...] who supplies cast iron discs?
Cheers,
Kevin
Brembo (Italy) makes them. May be hard to find them in US, because downside is they get rusty and Americans prefer shiny things. But Brembo is best.

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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2022, 06:27:43 PM »
While I am a fan of the dual disc conversion, it's pretty unnecessary from a practical standpoint. I am allowed only one disc on my race bike and the stock SS disc, Brembo master and AP caliper is enough to howl the front tire during hard braking. Granted my bike is quite a bit lighter than stock but it works exceptionally well.
slik...would love to try a better single caliper.  When you gonna start cranking out those caliper brackets for members here?

Long as its for the GL fork, I can set you up. I have the designs for the early and later spacing of the 37mm GL fork bolts. Making a contraption fit the stock forks with swinging caliper arm is something I don't have much appetite for.
ohhh come on!...not much gain in swapping to gl forks so you can swap to a better caliper for us lowly street rats.  The GL caliper, in all it's primitive misery, is already light years ahead of the stoneage cb750 calipers.  I am looking at adapting a decent caliper to some k0/k1 forks.
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Re: doing a duel disk conversion now
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2022, 07:16:35 PM »
I don't know a lot about stainless steel versus grade 8 or 6 but I would assume it is strong enough especially with 6 of them, most later bikes used 5.  I even used 5/16" on my conversion. I had to buy a bag of them and sent out a few sets to members here.

A stainless steel bolt has the same PSI rating as a grade 5 bolt (125,000 PSI). A grade 8 bolt has a stronger rating with a PSI of 150,000.
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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2022, 09:45:06 AM »
If you are concerned about unsprung weight, you can get the stock disks thinned and drilled.  Godfreys Garage does this service https://godfferysgarage.com  After thinning and drilling the weight of both disks is only slightly higher than a standard single disk.  I'm happy with the dual disk setup on my K1.  I have thinned and drilled disks from Godfrey and use the standard master cylinder with stainless steel braided lines.  I run the stock speedometer drive and had the 2nd disk carrier milled out to hold it.





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I have had him do this on 2 bikes, my single disk 550F and my triple disk 750F. He does super high quality work. His shop is a few hours from me in Wisconsin, so I went up to pick up the 550F rotor in person. Jeff is a super nice guy and does really high quality builds and restorations.
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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2022, 12:12:12 PM »
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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2022, 02:37:46 PM »
I’m guessing that for street use a thinner than stock stainless disc doesn’t have a tendency to warp?
Racing may be another issue.
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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2022, 03:00:50 PM »
I’m guessing that for street use a thinner than stock stainless disc doesn’t have a tendency to warp?
Racing may be another issue.
There have been a number of AHRMA folks racing theses thinned and Drilled rotors, and I've only heard of 2 guys that warped one, but they were both running single disc setups and were cooked to a dark blue crisp.  Turns out they were new to racing, so that may have been a factor?

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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2022, 03:26:04 PM »
I’m guessing that for street use a thinner than stock stainless disc doesn’t have a tendency to warp?
Racing may be another issue.
I used mine hard when I took my 550 loaded with bags and and gear down the 100 miles of the Coronado Trail in 2017. 300 turns, no brake issues.
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Re: doing a dual disk conversion now
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2022, 07:07:37 PM »
I had duals on my 750 from 1972-1979. I used a second [normal] banjo for the second disc and made a bolt by drilling a 10mm longer metric bolt thru up to the head, then added an extra sealing washer between the banjos. I also had to shorten the bolt a bit as it ran out of threads up inside the fitting. I called it my 'power brake' setup, used in racing and heavy 2-up touring with camping gear for many tens of thousands of miles. The brake pad wear after 40k miles like this was tiny, and I used the remaining pads on the original one after I removed the 2nd disc in 1979 (needed some $$, bad, sold it to a neighbor with another 750) until 1988, then installed the other used pads until 2006. I'm only on my 3rd set of pads now, at 155k miles.

The main advantage I noticed with the duals was in city freeway traffic, and especially in the wet. Here in the Denver area it is VERY erratic traffic, and some of the steep hills here will hide dangers when you come over their top at speed. Then there's the mountains, which can make the front brake hot enough to melt fingerprints (don't ask...) after a few miles of spirited downhill...touring. While the dual disks required less grip force to slow the bike, I have not run out of braking on the single disk, not that I ever remember. The later cast-iron disks do grab harder with less braking lever force, but then I have not washed out the front end of this bike, ever, while I have come very close with some of the later, more modern ones on other bikes.
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