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Offline Merph

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How not to repair a choke assembly
« on: June 12, 2022, 03:51:24 AM »
Bought my CB750 K7 a few weeks ago, had trouble with starting so removed the carbs and found a very unusual may of repairing the choke.
I think its some sort of epoxy - or maybe just chewing gum - what was in the mind?
I have sourced a complete choke assembly from CMS in Holland, so a full strip down is next and replacement.

The starting problems were similar to other posts I've seen. Starts on full choke but will not tick over.
Changed the points, condensers and plugs......
Any pointers would be welcome
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Offline newday777

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Re: How not to repair a choke assembly
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2022, 03:59:31 AM »
That looks like it might be a solder blob????
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Re: How not to repair a choke assembly
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2022, 06:43:15 AM »
That is truly hideous. Some folks shouldn't be allowed anywhere near tools.

My experience with PD carbs:
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An entire thread devoted to PD carbs:
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Re: How not to repair a choke assembly
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2022, 07:59:57 AM »
When you try to install the spring that is supposed to be there, you might start to understand why that was done.
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Re: How not to repair a choke assembly
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2022, 12:57:37 PM »
 That makes me feel better about the wiring on my 76F. If I was paid flat rate for working on this turd I'd either starve or be there 120 hours a week.
 
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Offline Little_Phil

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Re: How not to repair a choke assembly
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2022, 12:50:24 AM »
Quote from: seanbarney41 on June 12, 2022, 07:59:57 AM
When you try to install the spring that is supposed to be there, you might start to understand why that was done.
Absolutely!  Presume same as Pds on 77-78 550s.
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Offline Merph

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Re: How not to repair a choke assembly
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2022, 12:36:05 PM »
Managed to get the carbs stripped today
The "Blob" was epoxy so not easy to remove.
On strip down found the needle valves have the length all set differently - is that right??
Also Carb #4 Throttle valve / Slider was sticking badly, showing signs of slight scoring. Can this be polished out??
All jets flushed with Carb Cleaner.
Then the grandkids came round so had to play different games.

Thanks for all your comments and suggestion, especially Madmtnmotors. great pictures, they will be extremely helpful.
CHEERS
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Offline Shtonecb500

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Re: How not to repair a choke assembly
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2022, 09:36:28 PM »
lol.
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Offline Merph

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Re: How not to repair a choke assembly
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2022, 11:46:30 AM »
Managed to get the new choke link set fitted to the carbs today.
Used the pictures posted by "madmtsmotors" which was a massive help!

It was a bit intense to fit the springs but got there in the end.
Needed to grow a third hand, so used my wife instead to fit the screws in the operating shaft/flaps.

After lots of polishing, the #4 carb Throttle valve / Slider now moves freely.

Carbs are rebuilt and fitted on the bike.......big test tomorrow

Thanks again for all the messages / advice
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