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'76 550K Ignition Coils
« on: June 12, 2022, 08:04:37 PM »
Looking to replace the ignition coils for my 1976 CB550K. The bike is almost bone stock except the points were already swapped for EI by PO, while I tried hard to locate the brand of the EI unit, I failed.

I read the book, but I couldn't locate the exact ohm ratings for the stock coils. Is it 3 or 5 ohms?

I am inexperienced, but know for sure that putting the wrong component will put unnecessary load on the ageing system. I don't want to swap everything out right now(rectifier etc).

Here is what I found so far, but not sure if they are any good.

https://4into1.com/honda-ignition-coil-30501-300-003-cb350f-400f-500-550-750/
https://4into1.com/magna-5-ohm-coils-and-caps-honda-cb350f-400f-500k-550/
https://4into1.com/set-of-2-magna-dual-output-coils-with-wire-5-ohms-honda-cb350f-400f-500k-550-750-gl1000/
https://4into1.com/dynatek-5-ohm-black-coils-dual-output-dc8-1-honda-cb350f-400f-500k-550-750-gl1000/
https://www.common-motor.com/honda-cb550-cb550k-cb550f-ignition-coil
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233392822965?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

I need help with the following:
1. Can someone post links to products that will work for my motorcycle, I found a few, but am not sure which one to go for. Exact links to the recommended one will really help.
2. What ohm rating should I need?
3. Perhaps I can find NOS for this if I look hard, but does it make sense to replace a 50 year old coil with another 50 year old coil?
4. Most of these links have a note in it like so NOTE: When choosing the right coil for your bike, never select a coil with a lower resistance than your ignition system, this will cause the coils to overheat and burn out. It's OK to select coils with a slightly higher resistance. How do I know the resistance of 'my electrical system'?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: '76 550K Ignition Coils
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2022, 10:27:36 PM »
The stock coils were 5 ohm units.
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Re: '76 550K Ignition Coils
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2022, 03:29:58 AM »
Here a few thoughts on the subject. Having ample experience with both OEM (TEC) as well as aftermarket coils (Dyna), I might be able give some recommendations.
Coils almost never fail and under normal circumstances will survive your motor.
Problems can develop with sparkplugs, plugcaps, HT wires and their connections.
Sparkplugs are the first that will need replacement. Next are the plugcaps. The CB500/550 back then was a benchmark for reliability. Known troublemakers were the plugcaps however and Honda has experimented with several ones. Some aftermarket 10.000km service packs - I believe the brand was Dino - included, besides oil- and airfilter, plugs, also new NGK caps. For a good reason. It is my gut feeling, there's a lot of replacing of coils going on, where the issue actually lies elsewhere, either in the sparkplugs, the caps and/or the connections. The HT wires also age.
Let me confess that in the 90s I have fallen victim to Dyna's bragging about 36.000 V or so. They looked robust, but, being a generic product, the weakness lies in the - not tailormade - connections. Moreover, for a CB500/550 I find them too bulky. That high voltage is not needed as these coils will spark at the same voltage (~ 7-9 kV) as the stock coils do and as long as you're not drag racing a highly tuned bike, you can ignore Dyna's bla. Let's have a closer look at the connections. You yourself have to crimp the connectors that go into the towers and it depends on how good you are at it, to make it succesfull. On these bikes, there's not much room and it can be quite a hassle. Little rubber caps come with the Dynatek wireset, so everything is nicely shielded against moisture. However... these caps become rock hard after some time and will be extremely hard to remove and put on again. At first I was enthusiastic about the silicone plugcaps. Not now anymore. Nothing wrong with silicone - on the contrary - but these caps do not have a resistor inside, so R plugs are required to be streetlegal. I'll come to them later. Furthermore Dyna has chosen connectors that require a ferrule on top of the plug. Why? I don't know. NGK caps connect way more solid. More than once forsaid ferrules have come loose somewhat. The silicone Dynatek HT wires are extremely supple and although I like that, they can move about quite a bit in the riding wind. This is not good for robust connecting.
In Europe professionals that work on our CB Fours on a daily base, advise not to use R plugs and although I first ignored this as nonsense, I have come to the conclusion that R plugs and our bikes is not a good match. I have too many R plugs lying around now that gave up prematurely. BTW, I have noticed that Denso R plugs, increase their resistance over time and NGK R plugs seem to decrease. Why this is? I don't know. Maybe it's just my experience.
Just the other day I have replaced the Dynatek plugcaps by new NGK resistor caps and also replaced the dreaded R plugs by conventional NGKs. I noticed how well the NGK caps connected to the plugs and after I had started the engine, a miracle seemed to have happened! I realised I should have done this long before. I had been stubborn not to accept the knowledge of professional mecs, not without any further substantiation to their findings.
To do my further testing correctly, I will - for the time being - run the Dyna coils, but as soon as another issue occurs, I'll abandon them and the old OEM coils will go on again. After all these years they still give the right spark and they are a direct fit. They would be perfect, if only one could screw on new HT wires, the same way you screw on new NGK caps to the HT wires. I remember I have seen aftermarket coils that have this, but not recently. On the other hand, repro's like 4-1 has on offer, are relative cheap to replace.
Here some tips. When you pull the plugcaps, make sure your hand cannot travel too far in a brisk movement, compromising the connection!
For the sparkplugs, only use the Honda tool that came with the bike. This is what works best for me. Before I mount the sparkplug, I screw a ferrule like Dynatek caps requires, on top, but just a few turns. Now press the plug in the Honda tool, so the rubber inside that tool will have a firm grip. The sparkplugs hexagon is now exactly where it should be and the whole combination is stiff and very easy to work with as the plug will not fall out. Screw the sparkplug down and tighten. Withdraw the plugtool and then remove that ferrule again with a few turns. On removing the sparkplugs, do the opposite: withdraw the plugcap, then screw the little ferrule on top of the plug - a few turns is enough - and firmly press the Honda tool on it. No risk of damaging the porcelain and guaranteed no more prematurely falling sideways of the #2 and #3 plug, which would result in a hassle to get them out.
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Re: '76 550K Ignition Coils
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2022, 12:24:47 PM »
Thanks much for the insights. There is another brand going around called magna, do you have any reviews of them?

Also, if i buy spark plug caps, I am seeing what is called as 'NGK spark plug resistor cover' are those the replacements for stock ones or do I need one without the resistor?

I have been unable to locate the right parts for the caps. The parts list confused me more. Why are there so many varieties for the 1976 cb550K? I thought there were just 2 types needed (1 each for 1-4 and 2-3). Which part numbers should I focus my search on? What is a noise suppressor?



Here a few thoughts on the subject. Having ample experience with both OEM (TEC) as well as aftermarket coils (Dyna), I might be able give some recommendations.
Coils almost never fail and under normal circumstances will survive your motor.
Problems can develop with sparkplugs, plugcaps, HT wires and their connections.
Sparkplugs are the first that will need replacement. Next are the plugcaps. The CB500/550 back then was a benchmark for reliability. Known troublemakers were the plugcaps however and Honda has experimented with several ones. Some aftermarket 10.000km service packs - I believe the brand was Dino - included, besides oil- and airfilter, plugs, also new NGK caps. For a good reason. It is my gut feeling, there's a lot of replacing of coils going on, where the issue actually lies elsewhere, either in the sparkplugs, the caps and/or the connections. The HT wires also age.
Let me confess that in the 90s I have fallen victim to Dyna's bragging about 36.000 V or so. They looked robust, but, being a generic product, the weakness lies in the - not tailormade - connections. Moreover for a CB500/550 I find them too bulky. The high voltage is not needed as these coils will spark at the same voltage (~ 7-9 kV) as the stock coils do and as long as you're not drag racing a highly tuned bike, you can ignore Dyna's bla. Let's have a closer look at the connections. You yourself have to crimp the connectors that go into the towers and it depends on how good you are at it, to make it succesfull. On these bikes, there's not much room and it can be quite a hassle. Little rubber caps come with the Dynatek wireset, so everything is nicely shielded against moisture. However... these caps become rock hard after some time and will be extremely hard to remove and put on again. At first I was enthusiastic about the silicone plugcaps. Not now anymore and here's why. Nothing wrong with silicone - on the contrary - but these caps do not have a resistor inside, so R plugs are required to be streetlegal. I'll come to them later. Furthermore Dyna has chosen connectors that require a ferrule on top of the plug. Why? I don't know. NGK caps connect way more solid. More than once forsaid ferrules have come loose somewhat. The silicone Dynatek HT wires are extremely supple and although I like that, they can move about quite a bit in the riding wind. This is not good for robust connecting.
In Europe professionals that work on our CB Fours on a daily base, advise not to use R plugs and although I first ignored this as nonsense, I have come to the conclusion that R plugs and our bikes is not a good match. I have too many of R plugs lying around now that gave up prematurely. BTW, I have noticed that Denso R plugs, increase their resistance over time and NGK R plugs seem to decrease. Why this is? I don't know.Maybe it's just my experience.
Just the other day I have replaced the Dynatek plugcaps by new NGK resistor caps and also replaced the dreaded R plugs by conventional NGKs. I noticed how well the NGK caps connected to the plugs and after I had started the engine, a miracle seemed to have happened! I should have done this long before. I had been stubborn not to accept the knowledge of professional mecs, without any further substantiation to their findings.
To do my further testing correctly, I will - for the time being - run the Dyna coils, but as soon as another issue occurs, I'll abandon them and the old OEM coils will go on again. After all these years they still give the right spark and they are a direct fit. They would be perfect, if only one could screw on new HT wires, the same way you screw on new NGK caps to the HT wires. I remember I have seen aftermarket coils that have this, but not recently.
Here some tips. When you pull the plugcaps, make sure your hand cannot travel too far, compromising the connection!
For the sparkplugs, only use the Honda tool that came with the bike. This is what works best for me. Before I mount the sparkplug, I screw a ferrule like Dynatek requires, on top, but just a few turns. Now press the plug in the Honda tool, so the rubber inside that tool will have a firm grip. The sparkplugs hexagon is now exactly where it should be and the whole combination is stiff and easy to work with. Screw the sparkplug down and tighten. Withdraw the plugtool and then remove that ferrule again with a few turns. On removing the sparkplugs, do the opposite: withdraw the plugcap, then screw the little ferrule on top of the plug and firmly press the Honda tool on it. No risk of damaging the porcelain and guaranteed no more prematurely falling sideways of the #2 and #3 plug, which would result in a hassle to get them out.

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Re: '76 550K Ignition Coils
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2022, 12:37:01 PM »
I don't like the Magna design. It's just another generic product. It looks too bulky and I don't know about the connectors. Why go through the hassle of having to make the HT leads and connections yourself?
Noise suppressor means the resistor in the plugcap. Have NGK resistor plugcaps and not resistor plugs.
Whatever coil you look for: the resistance of the primary circuit should be in the advertisement. When not advertised, it should at least be on the package, so you could return it unopened. This is important because some retailers will not accept returns of electric equipment once opened. When neither indication is there, it would be enough ground for me to return them. Out of solidarity with other customers. They should not have to guess. I have no less than four multimeters, one upstairs, one in the garage and two onboard my yacht. So that's not the problem. Failing to publish the primary resistance, could be for a different reason: the manufacturer cannot guarantee a precision within a band of let's say 0,5Ω and/or the manufacturer is most likely located in China. I have no confidence in Chinese products. I have learned my lesson.
In short: the first you've listed - seen the specs - seems closest to the original and the HT leads have enough reserve.
American products are primarily designed to do well in advertisements. Make it bigger, suggesting it has an extra, then give it a suggestive name like: Magna, Dyna or Screamin' Eagle and success is yours.
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Re: '76 550K Ignition Coils
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2022, 12:49:24 PM »
Got it. So looks like I need two each of these?
https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB550K-1976-USA/part_70963/
https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB550K-1976-USA/part_70964/

please let me know if these re the right choices. As you must have ascertained by now, beyond doubt, that I am a complete noob.

I don't like the Magna design. It looks too bulky and I don't know about the connectors.
Noise suppressor means the resistor in the plugcap. Have NGK resistor plugcaps and not resistor plugs.
Whatever coil you choose: the resistance of the primary circuit should be in the advertisement. When not in the advertisement, it should at least be on the package the coil is in, so you could return it unopened. This is important because some retailers will not accept returns of electric equipment once opened. When neither indication is there, for me enough ground to return them. It would be merely out of solidarity with other customers. They should not have to guess. I have no less than four multimeters, one upstairs, one in the garage and two onboard my yacht. So that's not the problem. Failing to publish the primary resistance, could be for a different reason: the manufacturer cannot guarantee a precision within a band of let's say 0,5Ω. Manufacturer is most likely located in China. I have no confidence in Chinese products. Have learned my lesson.

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Re: '76 550K Ignition Coils
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2022, 01:16:07 PM »
Got it. So looks like I need two each of these?
https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB550K-1976-USA/part_70963/
https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB550K-1976-USA/part_70964/
No, now you come up with David Silver's. Why? Primary resistance is not even published there, so stay away of it. Let me ask you this: what makes you think you need new coils at all?
If you would need them, if, I'd opt for the cheap repro's 4-1 enterprise offers, unless others here have complaints about them for some reason. The advertised primary resistance of 4,6 Ohm is perfect.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2022, 01:28:38 PM »
Got it. So looks like I need two each of these?
https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB550K-1976-USA/part_70963/
https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB550K-1976-USA/part_70964/
No, now you come up with David Silver's. Why? Primary resistance is not even published there, so stay away of it. Let me ask you this: what makes you think you need new coils at all?
If you would need them, if, I'd opt for the cheap repro's 4-1 enterprise offers, unless others here have complaints about them for some reason. The advertised primary resistance of 4,6 Ohm is perfect.

The links are to plug caps, not coils.

And yes, 2 od each. The bent ones for 1-4 and the straight ones for 2-3.
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Re: '76 550K Ignition Coils
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2022, 01:39:40 PM »
Got it. So looks like I need two each of these?
https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB550K-1976-USA/part_70963/
https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB550K-1976-USA/part_70964/
No, now you come up with David Silver's. Why? Primary resistance is not even published there, so stay away of it. Let me ask you this: what makes you think you need new coils at all?
If you would need them, if, I'd opt for the cheap repro's 4-1 enterprise offers, unless others here have complaints about them for some reason. The advertised primary resistance of 4,6 Ohm is perfect.

The links are to plug caps, not coils.

And yes, 2 od each. The bent ones for 1-4 and the straight ones for 2-3.
Ah, sorry, I missed that. Thanks for correcting. Yes, those NGK plugcaps are first choice.
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Re: '76 550K Ignition Coils
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2022, 01:42:17 PM »
No, now you come up with David Silver's. Why? Primary resistance is not even published there, so stay away of it.

I couldn't find plug caps in 4into1, they all came bundled with the coils, so I thought while I decide on which coil is the best, let me get the caps, because one snapped, and the bike can not be run without it.

David silver being the most reliable one I know of, I assumed that maybe the image doesn't show the resistance, but the packaging would.


Let me ask you this: what makes you think you need new coils at all?
If you would need them, if, I'd opt for the cheap repro's 4-1 enterprise offers, unless others here have complaints about them for some reason. The advertised primary resistance of 4,6 Ohm is perfect.

I think I need new coils is because the sparks are weak, and I have already changed plugs. Next, would be caps, and coils, just like you detailed it out. And since the coils are undecided yet, I thought of getting the caps replaced first. Also, once cap is broken, and cylinder 2 is not firing up at all.

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2022, 01:54:03 PM »
Ask David Silvers Spares the specs on their Plug Caps, they are very good about answering questions. Their phone routes to the UK ordering or information staff so you must call during their hours the phones are manned to talk to anyone.
Cb750supply.com also sells a good set of coils 5 ohm with wires attached. HondaMan has a good set from a supplier he recommends that runs you about $80 a pair the last time I looked before everything went up. I'm not a fan of four-into-one as some of their stuff is low quality. Tough to find the pearls amongst the pigs
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2022, 02:11:32 PM »
No, now you come up with David Silver's. Why? Primary resistance is not even published there, so stay away of it.

I couldn't find plug caps in 4into1, they all came bundled with the coils, so I thought while I decide on which coil is the best, let me get the caps, because one snapped, and the bike can not be run without it.

David silver being the most reliable one I know of, I assumed that maybe the image doesn't show the resistance, but the packaging would.


Let me ask you this: what makes you think you need new coils at all?
If you would need them, if, I'd opt for the cheap repro's 4-1 enterprise offers, unless others here have complaints about them for some reason. The advertised primary resistance of 4,6 Ohm is perfect.

I think I need new coils is because the sparks are weak, and I have already changed plugs. Next, would be caps, and coils, just like you detailed it out. And since the coils are undecided yet, I thought of getting the caps replaced first. Also, once cap is broken, and cylinder 2 is not firing up at all.

I didn't see a mention of what plugs you have on your bike.

You do mention weak spark. I will say that I have never noticed that any of my SOHC bikes (2 of which was a 7700 mile 550K) had particularly strong sparks. They were always clearly visible when testing, but not super bright and fat.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2022, 02:35:52 PM »
Unless you are upping the compression or increasing the spark plug gap, You don't need a stronger spark.  Millions of miles, decades of years on the stock set up.

You only need enough voltage and current to begin and maintain a spark.  Doesn't matter if the spark is "weak".  ...Unless you are profiting from selling ignition components.

You experiencing misfires?
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2022, 04:03:02 PM »

I didn't see a mention of what plugs you have on your bike.

You do mention weak spark. I will say that I have never noticed that any of my SOHC bikes (2 of which was a 7700 mile 550K) had particularly strong sparks. They were always clearly visible when testing, but not super bright and fat.

The plugs are the stock ones from NGK.

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2022, 04:05:39 PM »
Ask David Silvers Spares the specs on their Plug Caps, they are very good about answering questions. Their phone routes to the UK ordering or information staff so you must call during their hours the phones are manned to talk to anyone.
Cb750supply.com also sells a good set of coils 5 ohm with wires attached. HondaMan has a good set from a supplier he recommends that runs you about $80 a pair the last time I looked before everything went up. I'm not a fan of four-into-one as some of their stuff is low quality. Tough to find the pearls amongst the pigs

I am such a noob that I didn't know that the same coils fit the 750 and the 550. I always though that cb750supply.com was exclusively for the 750. Thanks for the pointer.

Yes, I have had bad experience with 4into1 as well, in the past, so I am leary.

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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2022, 04:07:07 PM »
Unless you are upping the compression or increasing the spark plug gap, You don't need a stronger spark.  Millions of miles, decades of years on the stock set up.

You only need enough voltage and current to begin and maintain a spark.  Doesn't matter if the spark is "weak".  ...Unless you are profiting from selling ignition components.

You experiencing misfires?

I am a noob, so any modifications i out of the Q for me, and more over, i honestly don't think I can make a better product than Honda engineers ever, so whatever they did to the original bike is good enough for me.

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2022, 04:44:20 AM »
My citicism towards David Silver - and CMSNL btw that has the same product - is that the primary resistance of the repro coils they sell, is not advertised. It should. No-one should have to guess. As far as the NGK plugcaps, their resistance doesn't need to be communicated, not explicitly, as it is clearly indicated in the type of the model: XD05F, SD05F and VD05F.
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2022, 04:46:31 PM »
My citicism towards David Silver - and CMSNL btw that has the same product - is that the primary resistance of the repro coils they sell, is not advertised. It should. No-one should have to guess. As far as the NGK plugcaps, their resistance doesn't need to be communicated, not explicitly, as it is clearly indicated in the type of the model: XD05F, SD05F and VD05F.

what are the various markings? XD, VD, SD? What does the F stand for?

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