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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2022, 11:18:44 PM »
usually one or two rubbers come off on the rack,id take the rubbers off and a trick is to actually boil them in water and install them hot and soft.

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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2022, 08:19:59 AM »
Heat and lube are your friend when installing the carbs. If you have a nice hot summer day leave the boots out in the sun to get nice and hot, smear a little grease or Vasoline on the the inside of boot where it slides on the head and the carbs. It will still take some pushing, but the carbs should pop on.
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2022, 12:43:05 AM »
Cleaned the outside of the carbs before I'm going to give it the ultrasound since it was really sticky and oily.

Any tips for the little bit of rust on the top? (Red circle). Maybe a brass wire wheel? Its surface rust but I also dont want to damage it any more.

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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2022, 07:55:37 AM »
Steel wool or scotch-brite can remove the rust.  But the plating is gone there, and it will rust again.    Consider silver or chrome paint ( or clear nail polish) has a preventive measure.  But, unless you use a two part paint as overcoat, it’s durability is in question.

Depends on how far you want to take it.  Eastwood has some replating products you might wish to investigate.

You know, that rust won’t make it slower, or faster,  and will likely bother you more than anyone else.  But, I get “restoration fever” longing for that “as new” look.

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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2022, 12:18:29 PM »
Trying to get the Chrome shine back...




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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2022, 03:15:40 AM »
Could anyone show me a picture of a good sidestand for the 550 four k? Mine always flips in when I move the bike. Going from the drawings, I'm missing 2 springs. Would like to see a picture to compare it too, and see what I'm missing.

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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2022, 04:43:06 AM »
Only ever 1 spring on sidestand
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2022, 08:41:14 AM »
So they all flip back when put your bike upright?

Kinda dangerous for letting it fall over when you are not paying attention and still think the sidestand is out?

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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2022, 10:08:46 AM »
No they dont, something is bent or the wrong part
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2022, 10:22:44 AM »
No they dont, something is bent or the wrong part

Allright!

If someone would have a picture of how it should be setup then, that would be great. It appears mine has 2 springs in each other a smaller one in a big one.
I think my spring just might be to strong, so it pulls it back immediately.
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2022, 12:12:07 PM »
Does your model happen to be a CB550K3-G, the German type? It's supposed to have a self-retracting side stand. It was law. BTW, p.77 in the parts list could have informed you. https://www.honda4fun.com/dwnload/Part-List/CB500/CB500-K3-CB550-K3-K4-Parts-List.pdf
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2022, 01:23:07 PM »
Does your model happen to be a CB550K3-G, the German type? It's supposed to have a self-retracting side stand. It was law. BTW, p.77 in the parts list could have informed you. https://www.honda4fun.com/dwnload/Part-List/CB500/CB500-K3-CB550-K3-K4-Parts-List.pdf

A-ha! I do have a German version! So that makes sense then. Do you know that by experience? Or is that something I should've read somewhere?

I did look at that diagram, but since I only have 2 combined springs (they look like one) that I was thinking I was missing the 3rd spring (since there are 3 springs on the diagram).
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2022, 03:05:26 AM »
When you acquire a CB Four, the best you can do, is to first determine your exact model by comparing engine- and framenumber to those listed in the first few pages of the Parts Lists. Honda does NOT determine models by year; that is an American invention. There are quite a few differences between models exported to the various markets. You can trace them at CMSNL ofcourse, but only the parts list will offer you the overview that fiches lack. It is nice to know what other markets had, so you can pick whatever you like best. For instance, some folks prefer the modest indicators only the -G models had. Personally I dislike amber plastic and always wanted to get rid of the plastic side reflectors. In the parts list of the CB500K2 (ED, G, F) I detected that the -F model, for France, originally had modest crossheads instead of the showy reflectors. I've ordered these screws at CMSNL, so my model now is a mix of the CB500K2-ED and the CB500K2-F ;). As far as your model, you may notice that the CB550K3-ED had a 34 teeth rear sprocket, where the others had 37. This was for marketing reasons: the somewhat sportier CB550F2 was launched at the same time and Honda wanted to highlight the K3 as the tourer version.
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2022, 07:58:12 AM »
You can disassemble the rack and set up a little plating tank to re-plate the shaft
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2022, 01:00:39 PM »
You can dissasemble the rackBUT all the choke plate screws have to come out on the pd carbs and they are an utter nightmare to rebuild, there are some things worth leaving alone! If you want to pay shipping i have whats left of a bank of 550 pd's with lots of bits missing
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2022, 02:35:45 AM »
So another day, another concern. Might be a major one.

I was taking out spark plug nr2 and noticed it was really hard in going out. Once it was out I noticed a small alu piece on the threads of the plug itself. The plug itself looks ok, so I'm afraid it came from the engine's head.

Trying to insert the plug, you can only do 1,5 turns by hand and that's it. Since I saw the small alu part, I'm not forcing anything in there. I don't really see much damage to the threads (as far as you can actually even see that) but since its not going in by hand, there must be something wrong there. I'm afraid the previous owner really jammed it in or something.

Any advice? Since I saw that little alu chip, I'm also concerned if something went down in the cilinder or not as well. So I'm afraid I will have to take the top end off to inspect? Maybe I can also see if the threads are damaged then or not?

In case the thread is damaged, what to do? Can this be retreaded?
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2022, 03:26:01 AM »
Maybe a thread chaser? But probably then from the inside out since its stuck at the beginning of the thread?

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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2022, 03:36:48 AM »
Maybe a thread chaser? But probably then from the inside out since its stuck at the beginning of the thread?

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You need to use a back tap thread chaser.

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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2022, 04:05:56 AM »
Maybe a thread chaser? But probably then from the inside out since its stuck at the beginning of the thread?

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You need to use a back tap thread chaser.


That looks like a nice tool for it. But I guess I need a 12mm one then, not the 14mm in your screenshot?
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2022, 08:00:25 AM »
Me being me, I'd never sleep if I didn't remove the head and clean up any errant metal and fix the threads if they are repairable,
It may be pretty cross threaded.
I know it's a bit of work but the damage caused by some metal would be very bad.
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2022, 11:24:13 AM »
Maybe time for a borescope investment?
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2022, 12:26:51 AM »
Me being me, I'd never sleep if I didn't remove the head and clean up any errant metal and fix the threads if they are repairable,
It may be pretty cross threaded.
I know it's a bit of work but the damage caused by some metal would be very bad.

Yeah I've got the same :P I even slept bad the first evening after I discovered this issue. All worst possible scenario's went through my head.  :P

I will go through it with the back tap thread chaser and afterwards I'll go through it with a small cylinder magnet as well (used specially for these things). Friend of mine has a borescope so I could also take a peek inside.
If needed the head will come of. But I'm hoping its not necessary for now.
Might be needed in a later stage since I don't know the compression of the engine yet.

For now I'm hoping the back tap thread chaser tool will do the trick. I placed the order but the part won't arrive before early August. Luckily I've got other jobs to do on the bike before that. :)

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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2022, 01:37:18 AM »
Magnet wont help, alluminium aint magnetic
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2022, 02:20:43 AM »
Lots of grease on the thread chaser and then compressed air? Tiny bits of aluminium going to do much damage before they are ejected? Maybe insert a bit of wet cloth into the cylinder before work and then remove it with long nose pliers\tweezers.
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Re: CB550 Four K3 1979
« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2022, 06:41:09 AM »
Is there a trick to get those rubber grommets in on the front fender?

I've been strugglin getting these in...

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Edit: well finally managed to get one on... fiddly kind of stuff lol
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