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Offline crxnug

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how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« on: July 22, 2022, 05:46:09 PM »
does anyone know  the trick to removing a cb750 oil orifice, any help would be much appreciated

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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2022, 05:59:21 PM »
 Mine seem to fall out at the machine shop.
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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2022, 07:57:16 PM »
What year? IIRC some of the early ones were a tighter fit than the later ones.
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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2022, 10:40:33 PM »
Aren't the early ones non-removable?
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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2022, 12:52:35 AM »
Very early a hole in the head only.
I have used compressed air in my K6 head with the thinner version that does not sit that tight as the earlier wide "shower nozzle" model. Important to cover before air born.
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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2022, 06:39:33 PM »
These orifices must be removed and carefully cleaned or you will risk ruining your engine when it goes back together.   This easy procedure has been tested on the early style orifice, but should work the same with the later style.  You do not need heat or a bent wire to remove them; just use the miracle of hydraulics and they will come out with no damage to the head or the orifice.  First, you need to tap the hole that is right next to the orifice.  Use a 1/8-27 size tap which is the size for most grease gun hoses.  This tap fits perfectly in the hole and you can easily create threads with no drilling. 

After you have threads, plug the bottom of that hole with a short piece of rubber hose, with a screw plugging the end of the hose, or you could use duct tape across the hole.  Make sure the head is on a flat surface to help seal the bottom of the plugged hole.  We want all the grease to be forced into the port that goes to the orifice.  Attach your grease gun to the threaded hole.  Put on your safety glasses as grease might shoot out of the orifice and squirt you in the eye.  Use rubber gloves and use your finger to close the orifice hole.  As you pump grease, it will be unable to get through the orifice hole because you have it blocked with your finger so it will have nowhere to go.  What happens is the grease pressure is evenly applied to the underside of the orifice and it will be pushed out of the hole.  It will come out slowly with each pump.
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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2022, 07:51:16 PM »
The K0/K1 "large" oil jets can get very stuck in their holes. When that happens, it might actually be best to leave them there, as removing them forcibly can damage them - and they are rarer than rocking horse poop...

I've successfully used MAPP gas torch heat around them on the head itself, then tapped them out from below while hot (yes, burned my fingers, too). If you damage the domed filter on the bottom side, here is the stuff to know about the design:

1. The holes in the mesh are 0.002" smaller than the hole that the oil comes out of on the top, this is the "strainer" function.
2. There are 13 holes in the domed mesh, while the other few around the perimeter don't flow any oil because they are crimped against the outer ring of the oil jet body. You only need 3 of them to be open in order for it to work, and the post-K1 style oil jets (the little ones) have just 7 holes total, all the same size as these. The metering hole in the later jets is the same size until the F2/3 and K7/8 engines, then it got 0.002" bigger.
3. The later engines (not the early ones) will actually run just fine with their oil jets REMOVED. I know this from working on an engine that ran from Michigan to California, then was sent to me for general overhaul (mostly cosmetic) for a show bike, and inside it was perfect, except for missing the oil jets completely.
4. If you end up denting the strainer dome in the attempts to remove it, just make sure it is still mechanically sealed (crimped) around its edges when you put it back in, and it will work just fine.

If they are hopelessly stuck, I just warn the machine shop to watch out for them when they wash the head for me. In all that I have done (it has to be more than 150 of the early heads by now), only one popped a big jet out during the washing, and they found it inside the parts strainer afterward.
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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2022, 08:57:06 AM »
the bike is a 1977

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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2022, 09:46:27 AM »
the bike is a 1977
I have removed those by sliding a mechanic's wire down thru the hole at the top, and thru the bottom one, then down thru the angled hole below it, out the bottom of the stud hole, then bending a tiny 90-degree (or more) angle on the tip of the mechanic's wire, and pulled it back up until it caught on the bottom of the oil jet. Then I heated the head up all around it with a MAPP torch and that gave me something to tug on to get it out.

You can also just clean it in place. This entails using brake cleaner spray down thru the hole that you see from above, several (or many) times, and soak the pocket so it will seep into the outer edges of the jet body (just in case it might also loosen it). The clearance between the jet and the head is only about 0.001", so it takes little in the way of burnt oil to make it stick, and since the 1977 Owner's Manuals were incorrectly translated to show the infamous statement "Use 10w40 oil", the jet is probably jammed in place with burnt oil crust. The brake cleaner will help dissolve it and the heat will make it slightly gummy and flexible, Right now it is a hard crust, holding the little jet in place.

When it is back together, do NOT use 10w40 oils in this engine. Use 15w40 on cold weather and 20w50 the rest of the time. Then this will not reoccur.
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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2022, 01:56:59 PM »
i should have mentioned, getting it out without damaging it as i need it for a rebuild, this is from a spare engine

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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2022, 02:36:59 PM »
If you follow the procedure I described above, you won't have an orifice or head damage.  Please reread my post as I modified it a bit with more details.

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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2022, 10:49:26 AM »
If you follow the procedure I described above, you won't have an orifice or head damage.  Please reread my post as I modified it a bit with more details.
Did you even read Pewe's answer #3, above your post?

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Re: how to remove cb750 oil orifice
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2022, 04:29:01 AM »
Yes, I did and I prefer my method to avoid damage to the orifice.  Having the orifice shoot out with force is not a good idea and sanding the edges of the orifice may cause leaks.   
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