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78 CB750K Engine Build
« on: July 31, 2022, 06:16:36 pm »
So I have a 78 CB 750K that is getting a hardtail frame conversion and the engine is going to get rebuilt with a 836cc kit and I am trying to get some input on different options for cams and valvetrain. I want to get around 100hp out of the bike and still be able to cruise around town without having to fight the bike and make trips up through the mountains.

I have been eyeing the 10.5 to 1 JE 65mm 836cc kit from cyclexchange that comes with a 518/519 Grind Cam or order Wiseco 10 1/4 compression 836cc pistons and a Webcamshafts 363a grind cam.

I will also be having the head ported and polished but do not know what route to take with valves and valve springs to compliment either of those set-ups and am looking for suggestions or builds that someone might have already done with either of those setups.

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Re: 78 CB750K Engine Build
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2022, 06:58:58 pm »
That kind of power is not easy to achieve considering the billet block 1000cc kits are looking at around 100-105hp...

JMR would be whom I would be discussing the build and what is achievable...

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Re: 78 CB750K Engine Build
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2022, 07:18:03 pm »
I figured 100hp wouldn't be easily achievable with the build route I am wanting to go, I guess the better way to phrase my goal is to be able to squeeze as much power out of an 836cc kit with maintaining bieng able to comfortably ride the bike around town without issue and make runs up through the mountains.

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Re: 78 CB750K Engine Build
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2022, 10:36:29 pm »
100hp on crank, around 80hp on wheel is possible with 836cc. (65 mm pistons)

I know a guy that measure 86whp DIN with 62mm pistons. Pistons shaped for chambers, rather high compression. Vintage racer.

My K6 had probably closer to 80whp in the 80's and first years of its comeback 2014.
17:48 sprockets. (Stock 18:48), stock wheel size.

Ported head and a rather modest cam, Action Fours SS1 that served the bike well during long tourings in Europe in the 80's.
 
It had Mikuni TMR32 carbs when measure the power on Dyno 2015.  Rather open 4-1. But it worked fine with stock carbs with less restrictive pods earlier in the 80's.

The in valves were F2 34 mm valves, stock 28mm ex.

I have another head today with Kibblewhite 33.5/28.5mm valves that has similar output.
Important to use guides that are sunken enough in head or CycleX guides made for higher lifting cams.

The K style valve keeper grooves are very tall and can enter the guide seals causing huge oil consumption.

Dynoman DP295 cam often recommended. My bike had that profile for a while, produced better torque and a little bit more at the top then the AF SS1 cam.
Both cams relatively good lift and not too long duration.

Do not waste money on 5mm valve kit. My set worked for 20.000 km, then were the bronze guides worn out, the upper part.  The skinny 5mm valve stem is very flimsy and bent during operation.

(Racers that need light valves and constant very high rpm might need it.)

That head got CycleX SS valves 34/28 mm. I do not know if they still have in stock. Plus their guides for higher lifting cams.

The K6 engine has 970cc right now, 104.7whp DIN earlier this year on dyno.

Cam Megacycle 125-75 with a very even power from ground and up. Stable idle at 1100-1200 rpm as my stock bike has too.
Maybe this cam match more displacement better.

It has a JMR Billet block 1005cc too, now waiting to be used. That measured similar power. But it had thicker base gasket then so a few hp less due to lower compression.

Compression is important to get the extra power. It can make the difference of 92whp or 101whp as I saw with 1005cc.

836cc can use stock rods if not racing.

It will cost much more when rods needs to be replaced with Carillo or CycleX Super rods.
Undercutgears, 2-4.

My bike use the harder Barnett springs for smaller CB's, 66ft lbs version.
Their CB750 spring has 56 ft lbs and is not that hard. Glass beaded clutch plates, EBC fibers.

When 836, even the cheap Cruzinimage clutch with Barnett CB750 springs worked fine.
Still glass beaded metal plates.

Bigger bore like 970-1000cc produce much more torque so clutch can slip.

Make alternator lighter another thing. Charging works fine on my bike.

Mike Rieck (JMR Porting) is the guy how knows what you need and can make it happen if still working.
MRieck is his forum name.

JE 836 pistons, DP295 and a JMR stage 3 head will give your bike around 80whp with good bottom torque.
Undercutted gears are a relatively cheap improvement.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2022, 10:53:36 pm by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: 78 CB750K Engine Build
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2022, 09:11:41 am »
PeWe what brands of valve guides do you have experience with that you would recommend?

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Re: 78 CB750K Engine Build
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2022, 09:36:23 am »
I have mostly used Honda stock guides, the shop had cut and adapted to fit.

The head that has got CycleX cryo version has not done much yet. I think they are good.
CycleX  has released a version with slimmer shape for ported heads after my purchase.

The shop adjusted mine for the head.

Check that with Mike if he will port your head. He is the expert.

I have just done a few tests to check compression, pistons milled after that.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: 78 CB750K Engine Build
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2022, 09:37:26 am »
PeWe you also mentioned that the k style valve keepers can enter the guide seals, are there what options are there for valve keepers besides oem?

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Re: 78 CB750K Engine Build
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2022, 10:10:05 am »
CycleX guides are made for higher lift, shorter. See CycleX
http://www.cyclexchange.net/Engine%20Parts%20Valve%20Trane.htm

Scroll down for info good to know
http://www.cyclexchange.net/camshaftpage.htm

« Last Edit: August 01, 2022, 11:03:54 am by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967