Topic: Will value of classics drop with electrification

[Kelly E]

The California government is just stupid, they promote EV vehicles before building additional power plants to support them. Good luck to them with 3rd grade level planning.

[jlh3rd]

So let’s extrapolate the issue: weather is hot during the summer, so in the future when millions of new EVs are running up and down the CA highways, shall they limit how far you can travel to enforce limited charging? And during winter when these “renewable” energy sources are less effective, what then?

It’s all a platform to mandate more and more limits on peoples choices, freedoms, and liberties.

You are, once again, full of bull#$%*, Cal, trying to turn something into a paranoid political conspiracy.

well he's not full of bull#$%*......it's not paranoia, and it's no longer conspiracy.....
wake up...

and if you wanna turn this thread into a maniacal attack on people and their opinions....I'm ready!

[jlh3rd]

gotta love the sheep ..
 
Your buddy in the white house throws a party to celebrate his vaunted oh " inflation reduction  act" while the dow drops 1200 and inflation rate reported as 8.3% !.........and he doesn't care!

reminds me of some roman guy named...Nero...

oh, and we're just paranoid and conspiratorial.........

[PeWe]

Ride away to a better place.

Sweden?!!   I'm sure it's nice but I dont want to live where it freezes in Winter.

Not here, I hope to find a better place. Warmer, not too hot. Away from ruling madness.

[RAFster122s]

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/seventh-generation-ford-mustang-debuts-electric-car

[Ichiban 4]

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/seventh-generation-ford-mustang-debuts-electric-car

__________________________________________________________________________

++++

Ichi

[Ichiban 4]

This article just out from Ford President..

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ford-ceo-farley-all-electric-gm

[BomberMann650]

This thread brought up the whole "Infastructure isn't available" thing.

But there's been some news from the halls of congress - uncle sam is gonna install EV chargers on all the u.s. highways.  With enough frequency to keep the range anxiety at a minimum.

Seems like now would be a good time to become a Sparky

https://highways.dot.gov/newsroom/president-biden-usdot-and-usdoe-announce-5-billion-over-five-years-national-ev-charging

[Stev-o]

NY has joined CA about not selling new gasoline powered cars in 2035.

I dont plan on ever having an electric car!  Long live my gas powered vehicles!!

[Ichiban 4]

Hello Everyone..

As some of you know..regarding my opinions on this topic (see previous posts..if interested)..
I generally believe that we're currently going through an "ideological" and "green-biased" situation in the U.S. regarding issue of "electrics" versus "internal combustion" power.  I believe that this is being influenced by political persuasions as much or more than by the actual science. 
I also believe (although do not profess to be particularly politically savvy..or concerned at that level actually)..that the current concerns about how predominant electrics will become..at this point in time..is highly speculative..and subject to several possible outcomes over time.
I agree that it appears that electric vehicles (including our beloved motorcycles)..will probably become a high-profile segment of the transportation infrastructure in not only the U.S...but in other Countries in the foreseeable future (but probably not as rapidly or as wide spread in developing countries.  Most of them..will continue to depend on public transportation..buses and trains..and less able to have personal transportation options..which is okay from an "environmental perspective"..I submit).
I sincerely feel that the jury is still out..regarding how much..or how extensive a transition to electrics will be.  I do not feel that as SOHC4 friends and associates we need to argue extensively about this situation. It will be what it will be..I feel.  But not as alarmist or as urgent as current media and political accounts have been trying to present..I submit.

As always..thanks for the camaraderie and friendship..

Al/Ichi

[jgger]

If anyone wants to know what this proposed transition to all electric will look like politically..........in California we have the perfect example.  Can you say "Bullet Train" !???

[PeWe]

More electrical power must be produced to charge all battery vehicles.

The politicians do this in wrong order.

I would like to hear that they have built many smaller nuclear power plants to feed all batteries. Wind turbines are not a trusted source.

After that possible to test this if working and reduce the older tech.
Some strange ideas to install a lot of charging stations while we have lack of power, no electrical power to use.

Older tech engines must be possible to improve with much less fuel consumption which means less out via the exhaust.

Hybride vehicles is the way as I see it. Run on battery in cities, twist the throttle on the highways and country roads.
Charge while running the combustion engine.

A combustion engine, a higher grade of freedom
Sudden power restrictions will lock us in, not be free to drive where, when we want and need.
Another way to build a fence around where we live.

We need to find out how to feed our engines and ride as we want, fast and far away!
Add a wood gas equipment is too bulky.
Something new, smaller and  cleaner;)
Everything is not invented.

Time for a new project thread with alternative fuel keeping our bikes running, faster and better!

[dave500]

dinosaurs died for us full stop!

[jlh3rd]

Hello Everyone..

As some of you know..regarding my opinions on this topic (see previous posts..if interested)..
I generally believe that we're currently going through an "ideological" and "green-biased" situation in the U.S. regarding issue of "electrics" versus "internal combustion" power.  I believe that this is being influenced by political persuasions as much or more than by the actual science. 
I also believe (although do not profess to be particularly politically savvy..or concerned at that level actually)..that the current concerns about how predominant electrics will become..at this point in time..is highly speculative..and subject to several possible outcomes over time.
I agree that it appears that electric vehicles (including our beloved motorcycles)..will probably become a high-profile segment of the transportation infrastructure in not only the U.S...but in other Countries in the foreseeable future (but probably not as rapidly or as wide spread in developing countries.  Most of them..will continue to depend on public transportation..buses and trains..and less able to have personal transportation options..which is okay from an "environmental perspective"..I submit).
I sincerely feel that the jury is still out..regarding how much..or how extensive a transition to electrics will be.  I do not feel that as SOHC4 friends and associates we need to argue extensively about this situation. It will be what it will be..I feel.  But not as alarmist or as urgent as current media and political accounts have been trying to present..I submit.

As always..thanks for the camaraderie and friendship..

Al/Ichi

Meaningful debates are the desired norm....
The problem as I see it is not whether ev's are better but that the technology is being forced on us.
Let the market an entrepreneurial actions direct the course, not my tax dollars.
Any infrastructure needed should be free market driven. Sales between ev vs ICE should be market driven, not arm twisting.
In no way do I see battery technology delivering anything close to ICE capabilities....I use a very simple example....
I do not follow climate alarmists and their man made climate change agenda. Therefore, I despise what is being forced on us.
.....I own a hybrid.....

[BomberMann650]

In a way, the free market has already spoken.

US oil companies have no plans to reinvest their record-setting profits.  No rehiring of laid off workers, no ground breaking on new refineries.

They've banked billions and the shareholders are satisfied.

Without a government at least overseeing public works projects.  Why would we expect anything other than high-prices and low supply from a private sector?

[69cb750]

The government could screw up a 2-car funeral if given the chance.

What about a one car funeral ?

[jlh3rd]

The government could screw up a 2-car funeral if given the chance.

What about a one car funeral ?

Don’t get me started… 

no...lets get this started...again.....The maniacal bs thats spouted from the left has occurred because WE have tried to be nice ...and kept our mouths shut......
.....Ignorant comments about oil "barons" gathering profits at our expense...lol...So WHY were gas prices so low during the previous administration?....they weren't hogging their profits then?.....
All of a sudden, now they are?........
It is unbelievable what it takes to drill a well. Most people have absolutely no idea. I had enough exposure in the 70's being a part time landman for an independent producer to be able to see just partial requirements needed ...and the associated support structures......it is incredible.....and the costs associated with one well is substantial, even if it's dry.
....Start your own oil co. if you think its so easy......but don't blame businessmen and investors for retreating from an industry that is under attack from a government that has stated it wants said industry destroyed...

Went to Barber this year. ALL of that , and others like it, will be GONE if current alarmists get their way...

.....

[Stev-o]

For anyone that is considering buying an EV, hope you dont live by salt water.

Apparently, many cars that were victims of Hurricane Ian's storm surge have ignited on fire!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/electric-vehicle-fires-burned-down-224822440.html

[scottly]

This is the same old misunderstanding of how these oil companies function. The wells that exist are decades old and produce plentiful oil for the current profit model. New profits can't be invested when they have no leases, no permits to guarantee drilling if they find oil, and no assurance to build new wells. Want them to invest those profits, then give them the permits to drill baby!

Cal, once again you are misinformed. The oil companies are sitting on over 9000 leases, with permits to drill on many of those. When gas prices are low, it's not worth pumping oil out of existing wells, much less drilling new ones.

[scottly]

Why do people feel so threatened by electric vehicles??? They are here now, and are faster and more capable than what the "hot rodders" were putting together 30 years ago, thanks to improved electronic controls and better batteries. I used to make electric motor adapters for the enthusiast market to convert existing cars, mostly VW and Porsche 914. Even with the limited range from the Optima Yellow top batteries, these DIY conversions made for great city commuter cars.
Drag racers used to pump 300+ volts worth of motorcycle sized AGM batteries into a motor nominally rated for 120V, and beat Dodge Vipers in the quarter mile.

[jgger]

Scottly I can't speak for others, but for me it's the "we are going to shove it down your throat" attitude of our government that burns me. Here in California it's not just our throats, for them any orifice will do. Billions of dollars later and we are still lined up for that maiden voyage of the "Bullet Train"!

[scottly]

Jim, when I lived in Sunnyvale from 1980-1982, we paid an extra .005% sales tax to fund the B.A.R.T (Bay Area Rapid Transit) train, even though the closest train station was 40 miles away, on the East side of the Bay. San Francisco was only 40 miles away from home, so it wasn't really an option. How long has this "Bullet Train" project been going on, and has there been any actual construction?

[jgger]

I think it started during the time of the governor before Arnold, his name escapes me as I type. He was recalled  ,oh yea Gray Davis, a crook to the bone. It might have been Moonbeam (Brown). It has to have been at least 15 years or more. It's a complete boondoggle and money dump. My sister was working for an engineering firm that was doing some work for it. She was looking over some drawings for a tunnel under a freeway and next to a flood control chanel that rhe train could not squeeze through and they said " just make the tunnel smaller"! We tax payers continue to pay for this kind of crap and the powers thar be just don't give a crap.

I'm sure if you were to Google California Bullitt train it will diminish anyone's faith in government!

[jgger]

I forgot the 2nd part of your question. I don't believe any actual physical work has been done so far. There has been land purchased as well as eminent domain grabs though. Problem is every one horse town between L A and San Francisco wants the train to stop in their town as a trade off for right of way. This drops the speed of the train and increases the ride time by gobs. I was looking at some info one time and the definition of high speed rail travel is 35 m.p.h. Can you imagine going from Los Angeles to San Francisco at 35 miles per hour?

This train, if it ever materializes, might be worth every dollar that has been wasted on it so far.
And still not an inch of track has been placed yet.

[PeWe]

For anyone that is considering buying an EV, hope you dont live by salt water.

Apparently, many cars that were victims of Hurricane Ian's storm surge have ignited on fire!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/electric-vehicle-fires-burned-down-224822440.html

Really interesting info Stev-o!

Salt on roads are a common issue around where I live from November to beginning of April.

I wonder how the salty slurry that will splash and impregnate the car will affect the battery in the long run.

A hybrid vehicle has a smaller battery placed more protected, higher located, not making the floor and base of the car?

Electrical motorcycles must be safer. But boring without sound.
My loud bike has saved my life many times during the years.
Need loud horns sounding as a tough engine like a dragster to be controlled by the throttle.
Record the old Russ Collins dragbikes when started.

Or record your own now for future use