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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2023, 10:39:46 AM »
Benelli: That's a cool story. Cooler that you and your wife ride together.
BTW, that black CB is the coolest. Black and gold... gotta love that.

She’s a trooper. Rode together since we were kids. She tells people she’s never sat on the back of a motorcycle.

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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2023, 08:45:54 AM »
Mine will be stored long before that.
Since then we put them away at the end of Nov. and they don’t come out til June.

I couldnt live where I couldnt ride or drive sports cars 6 mo of the year.  Summers are super hot here, June July Aug, but at least I can still ride or head on the boat to escape the heat...
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2023, 01:10:51 PM »
We do get to ski and out on the snow machines……

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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2023, 02:20:19 PM »
We like to ride in “winter” here, makes wearing the summer riding jackets with CE armor easier. We don’t ride without the jackets, helmets and actual riding shoes. Some here, especially tourists, ride with no helmets, tank tops, shorts and flip flops. Very cool.
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2023, 02:23:30 PM »
We do get to ski and out on the snow machines……
Specifically a 1980 Kawasaki Invader 440 liquid. When that motor gets "on the pipe" and overwhelms the dated suspension it's more exhilarating than most, if not all bikes I've ridden.

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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2023, 05:53:42 AM »
One of the guys I race the LEXUS with just picked up a 2024 snow machine. Unbelievable specs, F1 style front suspension, twin turbo chargers and almost 200 HP!

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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2023, 06:14:10 AM »
Max speed beyond 200kmh too I suppose... ;D
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2023, 06:27:20 AM »
We like to ride in “winter” here, makes wearing the summer riding jackets with CE armor easier. We don’t ride without the jackets, helmets and actual riding shoes. Some here, especially tourists, ride with no helmets, tank tops, shorts and flip flops. Very cool.

I spent 6months in India back in 09 and you wouldn't believe the number of young women at the beach limping around in bikinis, covered in the most astonishing road rash. I rented a Royal Enfield Bullet while I was there and always rode with helmet, jeans, jacket. Indian traffic laws are suggestions.
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2023, 02:38:13 PM »
Has anyone tried fogging with STA-BIL Fogging Oil till stall, then drain bowls as an added step. I did this on my boat for years with good results, but always wondered why I haven't tried on my CB550 4?
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2023, 04:36:29 PM »
Has anyone tried fogging with STA-BIL Fogging Oil till stall, then drain bowls as an added step. I did this on my boat for years with good results, but always wondered why I haven't tried on my CB550 4?

I’ve used that in a few race cars that spent the winter in an unheated trailers. My bikes stay in my shop which is kept at a very constant (not very warm, but not freezing) temp. Since the risk of condensation is slim, I don’t bother…….
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2023, 04:59:20 PM »
It seems that living in very dry Central OR eliminates need for extensive motorcycle winterization. It probably helps to use non-ethanol fuel in the old Hondas. No fuel related starting problems here.

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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2023, 06:33:54 PM »
Our bikes stay in the shop at 68° but we still use Stabil Marine 360 to make sure there's no gooy fuel issues. 8)
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2023, 07:46:36 PM »
I don't really do anything special except make sure the batteries don't freeze by removing them and storing somewhere that is heated but still safe.  One winter? not gonna be a problem...let it stretch into 2?, 3?  many more? then you got problems.
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2023, 08:41:03 PM »
Back in the 70s I learned to empty the tank to get all the moisture out, pour in 4 oz 2 stroke oil and swish all around to cover the whole tank to prevent rust from starting.  Then run the gas out of the carbs to heat the oil, drain the oil out, change the filter and put in fresh oil, run the starter with kill off until oil pressure light goes off. Then inject Marvel Mystery Oil into the carbs to keep them from drying out over the winter. Works every time. Come spring drain the oil from the carbs and tank, put in fresh gas and go for a ride.
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2023, 03:59:28 AM »
Has anyone tried fogging with STA-BIL Fogging Oil till stall, then drain bowls as an added step. I did this on my boat for years with good results, but always wondered why I haven't tried on my CB550 4?


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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2023, 04:51:07 AM »
One risk is mice getting into your air filter box and nesting, ruining your filter and making a royal mess. Once they are past the filter getting as far as the carbs is childplay. So, pulling full choke will block them a tiny distance that could make a difference if they decide to use it as their bathroom area. Mouse urine is very corrosive.
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2023, 07:50:30 AM »
Good suggestion!!
I keep rodent bait stations around the house to help keep them controlled. We have quite a few mice and some rats here, it's warm and they thrive.
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2023, 02:25:48 PM »
It snowed here yesterday. The salt and sand trucks are out, so the bikes get put away. Here’s what I did to the K1. I feel today’s crappy fuels, left in anything for more than 4-5 months, create problems. This routine only takes me 45-60 minutes and guarantees fast starts in April-May.

1. Pulled both fuel lines from the petcock and replaced them with an 8” loop of clear hose. If the valve “drools”, no mess. Repair later.
2. Popped off the 4 float bowls, cleaned and dried them out.
3. Dropped the floats, main and idle jets. Blew out the jets and let all the parts dry before reassembly. One emulsion tube had some crap in it. Soaked and cleared.
4. Filled the tank with zero ethanol fuel. I always drain it in the Spring and “share” it out across our cars and garden equipment. Fresh fuel goes in when I “first start” the bikes.
5. Pull the battery. It sits on a shop shelf, charged up every 6-8 weeks.
6. My shop never freezes, so up on the centre stand, indoor cover.....

Anybody do anything else they feel is a “requirement”?
HERE'S MY SHUTDOWN ROUTINE FOR MY 79 CBX. WORKS ON ALL MY OTHER BIKES TOO.

Shutting down the bike for a few weeks or for the season/winter:
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THE BIKE WILL RUN PROPERLY WHEN YOU WANT TO USE IT AGAIN.  IF YOU DO THIS PROCEDURE, WHICH ONLY TAKES ABOUT 10 MINUTES, YOU’LL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE CARBS.
Modern gasoline has ethanol in it. Ethanol will gel up inside the gas tank and carburetors within a few weeks’ time. The best thing to do if you’re not going to use the bike in a few weeks is to purge the carburetors of ALL fuel. It’s easy.
1.   First, run the bike for a couple minutes to warm it up, you want to make sure you can start the bike and it’ll start right up in a few minutes when you’re doing this procedure.
2.   Turn the petcock on the gas tank to the OFF position (you should always do that after riding anyway.) Anyway, turn the petcock OFF. Put the bike on the center stand (NOT sidestand).
3.   There are small brass screws on the bottom of the float bowls for the carbs (see first photo below). Find a flat head screwdriver that’s thin and long (so you can get to the inner ones). Turn the screws about 1-1/2 turns out and no more on all six of them. This will drain the fuel out of the carburetor bowls. There are two drain tubes that will leak out the gasoline onto the ground so you’ll want to do this on concrete or put something under it to catch the fuel.
4.   YOU ARE NOT DONE YET! Draining the bowls is not sufficient. Once the tubes have stopped peeing out the gas, close the 6 brass screws. Do NOT tighten them like mad, they are a tiny brass needle-nose that shuts off the fuel and overtightening will ruin them. Run them close until you feel them touch, then just a tiny snug. The needle does the sealing.
5.   Now, set the choke lever on the handlebars fully closed, like you’re cold-starting the bike. Turn the key on, and now hit the starter. The bike will run for a second or two, then quit.
6.   NOW you’re done. What you did in the last step was, by setting the choke ON and starting the engine, you have pulled all the residual gasoline out of the tiny little passages inside the carbs, including the choke circuits. The carbs have a great number of tiny tunnels that gas flows through, brass pieces with tiny holes that manage distributing the right amount of fuel and air at the right time, etc. (see second photo below). If you DON’T do that last step to clear the carbs, the ethanol in the gasoline will gel in a couple weeks and plug up those little tunnels and brass bits and you’ll have to take the carbs completely off the bike and send them to someone qualified to clean them. Trust me, you do NOT want to take the carbs out of a CBX. Never. It’s a tremendous amount of work. Much better to spend ten minutes to drain the bowls then do the choke start to clear them out. I’ve done this every year when I shut the bike down for winter and it’s always started right up in the spring.

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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2023, 02:38:31 PM »
The above makes total sense! I usually drop the bowls (very easy on early cb750’s) and dry them out. I also think it’s important to remove the fuel lines from the petcock. If it “drools” it fills the bowls and undoes all your good prep.

On a twin tube petcock, I like to loop a 12” piece of clear line on the nipples, to see if the petcock does hold for the winter…….

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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2023, 03:23:58 AM »
I have 42 years of good experience with keeping the carbs in a natural state - which is wet - during hibernation and I have one year of bad experience with having the bowls drained for 6 months.
I use no Stabil, no nothing*, just the gas I always have: Shell's V-power, BP's Ultimate or a similar designer fuel. Every two months I drain the float chambers** - the collected fuel goes in the tank ofcourse - and with the float chambers empty, I crank the engine a few times to have the down going pistons suck the jets clean. After that I open the petcock to refill the bowls for the next two months. Good gasoline is a wonderful cleaning agent.
Every two months also I roll the bike a few meters and apply the front brake once or twice. Then I'll sit on the bike and activate the rear shocks a few times by bumping my behind on the passenger seat. Then I roll the bike back in its position in the corner, paying attention that the wheels will be in a different position then they were before.
What else? I have the battery disconnected and have it routinely charged say every month.
That's it. No covering.
Now, more important than your bike's, is your personal well being during winter. Some of you may experience the socalled winterdip. Tatarataa! Also for them I have some advice and therefore attached the therapy I read in the Tallahassee Tribune the other day. Enjoy!
* If my bike had PD carbs, I would use a socalled fuel system cleaner though.
** This may be a good occasion to verify fuel levels are still OK (they always are :D) by applying the method described here: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,185754.msg2151647.html#msg2151647. Simple and you can't do anything wrong.
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2023, 06:15:42 AM »

I use no Stabil, no nothing*

Delta...I'm guessing your fuel there does not have ethanol in it. If it did, I'm sure it would be a different ballgame.

PS. Are you sure you dont use the J&J thermometer?!!!
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #71 on: October 26, 2023, 07:19:14 AM »
The irony is, that fuel stabilisers usually contain... alcool. But that doesn't mean, they can't be useful. Alcool binds water and as long phase separation does not occur, gas with ethanol shields your tank better against rust than gas without. With the latter, any (condens)water will sink to the bottom of your tank. My bike did not have a problem with 5%. I don't know what 10% does to the alloys we find on our bikes.
About Shell's V-power and BP's Ultimate, the situation in Europe is: although the pistolgrip at the gazstation says 5% ethanol, it actually contains... none or almost none. EU ruling demands pistol grips should either indicate 10% or 5%. That's how it is now, in the future... who knows.
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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #72 on: October 26, 2023, 07:38:59 AM »
Store bike in a dry and warm place helps too.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Winter Prep, Again!
« Reply #73 on: October 26, 2023, 08:44:40 AM »
The secret is a temperature that doesn't vary much.
Contrary to what some believe, a battery is best stored cold, on condition it is well charged.
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Re: My K1 Winter Prep
« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2023, 06:34:19 AM »
It snowed here yesterday. The salt and sand trucks are out, so the bikes get put away. Here’s what I did to the K1. I feel today’s crappy fuels, left in anything for more than 4-5 months, create problems. This routine only takes me 45-60 minutes and guarantees fast starts in April-May.

1. Pulled both fuel lines from the petcock and replaced them with an 8” loop of clear hose. If the valve “drools”, no mess. Repair later.
2. Popped off the 4 float bowls, cleaned and dried them out.
3. Dropped the floats, main and idle jets. Blew out the jets and let all the parts dry before reassembly. One emulsion tube had some crap in it. Soaked and cleared.
4. Filled the tank with zero ethanol fuel. I always drain it in the Spring and “share” it out across our cars and garden equipment. Fresh fuel goes in when I “first start” the bikes.
5. Pull the battery. It sits on a shop shelf, charged up every 6-8 weeks.
6. My shop never freezes, so up on the centre stand, indoor cover.....

Anybody do anything else they feel is a “requirement”?

So cold and rainy and miserable here today, I’m afraid we’ll be doing this again soon! Just reread these posts and appreciate how much good experience pops up here on just about any topic! I’ll be adding a few extra steps to my usual procedure this year.The “zero ethanol” stickers have disappeared from the “Super” pumps around here so that one no longer applies. We only rode two of the cb750s this year so a bit less to do.

No idea what to do with the fuel injected Varadero, so it will get a full tank of fresh gas with Stabil, then parked by the shop door. I’ll just open up and run it a few times!

For winter prep I put the windshield back on the 900.  Virginia allows me to ride year around and our county does not sue salt. 

But I would like more snow and freeze in winter. 
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