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'73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« on: December 16, 2022, 09:30:39 AM »
Installed the oil line 6x25 bolts that connect oil lines to engine case. Noticed when I tightened one of the bolts, felt like it slipped and was somewhat loose again. Uh-oh, stripped threads I thought. Removed bolt, tapped hole with same size tap, used a slightly shorter length bolt, worked until I had to remove the line and when I reinstalled line, the shorter bolt did the same thing. Time for a helicoil, right? Never used a helicoil before, and finding there are SO many Heli coil kits for sale, my questions are;

1. Is there enough thickness in the case oil line bolt holes that it could be drilled out to the next larger size? And if so what size Helicoil would I use?

2. If there isn't enough thickness in the case holes, could I use the next smaller size Heli coil (5mm??) and go to a smaller bolt? And would this cause any issues with the smaller diameter bolt holding the oil line in place?

3. Would this be a good kit to buy? I've attached a picture.

Thanks in advance.
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'73 Honda CB750K3 (current project), '19 Kawasaki KLX 140G, '72 Honda CL70K3, '70 Honda SL350 (next project)

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'74 Yamaha 60, '72 Maico 250, '74 Kawasaki 250 S1, '82 Kawasaki KZ550, '84 Honda VF700F Interceptor, '99 HD FLSTS Heritage Springer, '97 HD FLHTCUI Ultra Classic '05 HD FLHT Electraglide, '9? Buell Lightning, '03 FLHTCUI Ultra Classic,'14 Honda CRF250L

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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2022, 10:21:17 AM »
There should be enough metal to take a helicoil as its basicaly a 7mm thread fitted with a steel coil but try and fit a 2d  not the standard 1.5d length
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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2022, 11:06:26 AM »
I helicoiled them 2 of the them on my old cases, the holes are blind, just don't go crazy with the drill bit as if you drilled through the back of  the hole you'll be in trouble.

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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2022, 08:58:38 PM »
I have found one of those threads gone when assemble.  Used a longer bolt to use not used threads.
Measure depth to bottom first, too long bolt might pop the bottom.

About thread repair kits. Find M6 since this is the size. Most of the other not needed.
M8 sometimes for exhaust assembly to head.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2022, 12:36:53 AM by PeWe »
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CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2022, 05:15:10 AM »
Thanks for the advice, really like the forum and the wealth of knowledge the members share with 'newbies' like me.
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'73 Honda CB750K3 (current project), '19 Kawasaki KLX 140G, '72 Honda CL70K3, '70 Honda SL350 (next project)

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'74 Yamaha 60, '72 Maico 250, '74 Kawasaki 250 S1, '82 Kawasaki KZ550, '84 Honda VF700F Interceptor, '99 HD FLSTS Heritage Springer, '97 HD FLHTCUI Ultra Classic '05 HD FLHT Electraglide, '9? Buell Lightning, '03 FLHTCUI Ultra Classic,'14 Honda CRF250L

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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2022, 07:10:09 AM »
I'll just say, as others have, be sure you don't go too far and break out the bottom of the existing hole.
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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2022, 09:38:50 AM »
Pop bottom possible when using right bolt, but wrong hole ;)
The 3 front case beside front sprocket. CB750.

I used a torque wrench it felt different at around 3-4 Nm. I planned to tighten 9Nm.
Checked and saw a hole to transmission. Thought it could have been an old damage entering dirty threads.

Found the bottom when removing oil pan which I had to do later. My fault only. A few chewing marks. Could have been expensive.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2022, 10:34:24 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2022, 04:50:45 AM »
There should be enough metal to take a helicoil as its basicaly a 7mm thread fitted with a steel coil but try and fit a 2d  not the standard 1.5d length
What is 2d? 1.5d??
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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2022, 05:37:40 AM »
It is the length of the coil insert in relation to the diameter, 1.5 on a 6mm thread is 9mm deep, 2.0 is 12mm
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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2022, 06:48:25 AM »
There’s standards of strength published by helicoil. https://www.stanleyengineeredfastening.com/-/media/Web/SEF/Resources/Docs/Heli-Coil/Tensile_Strength_Bulletin_Metric_LR.pdf

I have not had an issue with any of the helicoils I’ve used in my repair, unfortunately the previous owner of my bike had a very uncalibrated arm for torque.

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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2022, 09:24:35 AM »
It is the length of the coil insert in relation to the diameter, 1.5 on a 6mm thread is 9mm deep, 2.0 is 12mm

Thanks for explaining it to me.
Current bikes
'73 Honda CB750K3 (current project), '19 Kawasaki KLX 140G, '72 Honda CL70K3, '70 Honda SL350 (next project)

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'74 Yamaha 60, '72 Maico 250, '74 Kawasaki 250 S1, '82 Kawasaki KZ550, '84 Honda VF700F Interceptor, '99 HD FLSTS Heritage Springer, '97 HD FLHTCUI Ultra Classic '05 HD FLHT Electraglide, '9? Buell Lightning, '03 FLHTCUI Ultra Classic,'14 Honda CRF250L

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Re: '73 CB750 Oil line bolt (6x25) hole stripped
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2023, 08:09:00 AM »
Oil line bolt hole heli-coiled (?) succesfully!
Current bikes
'73 Honda CB750K3 (current project), '19 Kawasaki KLX 140G, '72 Honda CL70K3, '70 Honda SL350 (next project)

Former bikes
'74 Yamaha 60, '72 Maico 250, '74 Kawasaki 250 S1, '82 Kawasaki KZ550, '84 Honda VF700F Interceptor, '99 HD FLSTS Heritage Springer, '97 HD FLHTCUI Ultra Classic '05 HD FLHT Electraglide, '9? Buell Lightning, '03 FLHTCUI Ultra Classic,'14 Honda CRF250L