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Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« on: February 14, 2023, 01:59:51 PM »
Found this old ‘70’s chart (hundreds of bikes listed). Let me know if you want to see any other makes?

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2023, 03:18:00 PM »
Careful now John. That "C" word is like throwing the "F" (Fram) word around to some people. I used Champions in my early days as they were very easy to get and never had problems with them in bikes.

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2023, 06:38:02 PM »
Before ND made the D8ES-L for Honda, the only plugs that would stay clean in the 750K0/1 bikes were the Champions.
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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2023, 10:11:00 PM »
Wonder what the quality today is of the champions, if you can still get them. They work great for lawn mowers and trimmers and the like...
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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2023, 11:53:17 PM »
Found this old ‘70’s chart (hundreds of bikes listed). Let me know if you want to see any other makes?

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2023, 02:18:28 AM »
Wonder what the quality today is of the champions, if you can still get them. They work great for lawn mowers and trimmers and the like...

Back in the 70s when I was parts manager,  there were a number of bikes that came in for service that wouldn't run right that had champion plugs in them that the owners had decided they wanted champion plugs for some reason.... once the shop guys out back put new proper NGKs in there was no more running issues. Honda built the systems to use NGK plugs. But people still fall into their comfort zone. 😕
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1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2023, 09:59:18 PM »
Wonder what the quality today is of the champions, if you can still get them. They work great for lawn mowers and trimmers and the like...

Back in the 70s when I was parts manager,  there were a number of bikes that came in for service that wouldn't run right that had champion plugs in them that the owners had decided they wanted champion plugs for some reason.... once the shop guys out back put new proper NGKs in there was no more running issues. Honda built the systems to use NGK plugs. But people still fall into their comfort zone. 😕

This trait was especially true in the CB350 and CB450 engines. There was something about the Champions that made them get too hot when used on hiway trips, and the extra heat could make the carbs boil their gas when slowing to freeway offramps and the like (or gas stops). Then the bike would be real hard to start again until it cooled off.

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Wonder what the quality today is of the champions, if you can still get them.

I have tried to find their "right" one (during the Covid lockdown, for something to do while bored at work...) but could not find a correct-looking plug, even using their cross-reference for the D8EA/D8ES. The D8ES-L doesn't appear on any of my Champion lists, but the D8 and D7 do. Old lists?
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2023, 02:34:47 AM »
Wonder what the quality today is of the champions, if you can still get them. They work great for lawn mowers and trimmers and the like...

Back in the 70s when I was parts manager,  there were a number of bikes that came in for service that wouldn't run right that had champion plugs in them that the owners had decided they wanted champion plugs for some reason.... once the shop guys out back put new proper NGKs in there was no more running issues. Honda built the systems to use NGK plugs. But people still fall into their comfort zone. 😕

This trait was especially true in the CB350 and CB450 engines. There was something about the Champions that made them get too hot when used on hiway trips, and the extra heat could make the carbs boil their gas when slowing to freeway offramps and the like (or gas stops). Then the bike would be real hard to start again until it cooled off.

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Wonder what the quality today is of the champions, if you can still get them.

I have tried to find their "right" one (during the Covid lockdown, for something to do while bored at work...) but could not find a correct-looking plug, even using their cross-reference for the D8EA/D8ES. The D8ES-L doesn't appear on any of my Champion lists, but the D8 and D7 do. Old lists?
Come to think of it, it was on the CB450 in for service I learned of that
Stu
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2023, 02:34:56 AM »
champion mightve been ok like in the 50s in cars etc with low compression?they come in garden tools now days,no one buys the things,if your not using ngk or denso your a dumb #$%*!even bosch plugs ive used a few years ago seem to run colder than the number they should be,just run ngk full stop!thers a lotta brands gone to the way side,like KLG/LODGE and some others that dont come to mind right now.

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2023, 04:35:29 AM »
I used to work at my friend's motorcycle shop during college.  One time we had a batch of ND plugs that drove us nuts.  The plugs would work OK cold, but would start misfiring after they got very hot.  The misfire did not manifest itself during a short ride after a tuneup.  It would happen after the bike's owner would take an extended ride.  At first we replaced the usual suspects: condenser, coils etc.  We also replaced plugs, but used some from the same batch, so the problem continued. 

We finally discovered the plugs where bad when my friend installed a set on a personal bike, and rode home.  He had not changed anything else, and the bike started misfiring on the freeway.  At home that evening, he replaced the new NDs with an old set of plugs.  He rode back to the shop the next morning with no issues. 

The ND distributor reimbursed us for all the boxes of plugs we had recently purchased.  They also sent the plugs back to ND for analysis.  We couldn't afford another situation like this again, so we quit using ND for a while, and used NGK and Champion exclusively.  Eventually, we went back to using ND about a year later, and never had another problem.




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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2023, 05:31:20 AM »
+1 to the story above. In 1971-2, we raced an ex-BOBCOR Trans Am Alfa Romeo. They recommended Lodge Plugs (pink plugs with multiple electrodes) for the twin plug per cylinder head.

Champion was giving away plugs to racers that ran their 4” x 6” decals on the cars. Of course, we couldn’t resist. Midway through the summer, we wasted an entire race weekend chasing a misfire. Finally installed the old plugs, and it ran fine......

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2023, 10:53:03 AM »
John, I was expecting to have my memory jarred when I looked at your Champion chart in the same way that part numbers -268-  -283-  -287-  -292-  and  -300-  have been pounded in, because Champion spark plugs from Toledo, Ohio were the aftermarket plugs we carried on the shelf just behind me over my right shoulder next to the Gasgacinch. But while there were some 50 year memories jarred, the Champion plug numbers don’t ring any bells.
 I’m having a much more pleasant spark plug experience these days since switching from NGK to ND x24esu. I have a coffee can full of fouled NGKs in the basement, I get years and years on the ND’s and I haven’t had to say “Officer, I’m just trying to burn the carbon off the spark plugs” for a very long time.
 I don’t know that I have ever had Champions in my CB’s, but they were the replacement spark plug of choice at our shop.

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2023, 06:59:00 PM »
+1 to the ND plugs. I get lots more mileage from them, compared to today's NGK.
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2023, 09:23:30 AM »
+1 to the ND plugs. I get lots more mileage from them, compared to today's NGK.

To clarify, Kevin and Mark are both using Denso X-24ESU Plugs in your cb750’s?  I want to try them.

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2023, 08:12:53 PM »
+1 to the ND plugs. I get lots more mileage from them, compared to today's NGK.

To clarify, Kevin and Mark are both using Denso X-24ESU Plugs in your cb750’s?  I want to try them.

Yep, those are my favorites. I get them by the box at Sparkplugs.com (because of the engine parade in my garage). I have a spare set in the tail trunk of my 750, but haven't had to use them yet since 2015. I should mention that I dropped a 5-size on my mainjets (to #105) when I rebuilt the engine, to #105. At the stock #110 and this altitude I had to change them out every season from carbon fouling that wouldn't let them start well the next Spring.
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2023, 03:09:14 AM »
+1 to the ND plugs. I get lots more mileage from them, compared to today's NGK.

To clarify, Kevin and Mark are both using Denso X-24ESU Plugs in your cb750’s?  I want to try them.

Yep, those are my favorites. I get them by the box at Sparkplugs.com (because of the engine parade in my garage). I have a spare set in the tail trunk of my 750, but haven't had to use them yet since 2015. I should mention that I dropped a 5-size on my mainjets (to #105) when I rebuilt the engine, to #105. At the stock #110 and this altitude I had to change them out every season from carbon fouling that wouldn't let them start well the next Spring.
Mark
Do you have a link to the Denso X-24ESU at sparkplugs.com? I found the site but couldn't come up with the plugs for some reason?????
I did the model search and the part number search
« Last Edit: February 23, 2023, 03:13:24 AM by newday777 »
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2023, 05:46:37 AM »
Denso changed their numbering a while back, 4099 = x24esu, best I know.
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Re: Champion Spark Plug Honda Chart
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2023, 06:20:55 AM »
Denso changed their numbering a while back, 4099 = x24esu, best I know.

Kevin..... Found them and will try a set. Thanks!

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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2023, 11:20:40 AM »
 I have a couple old heads with pieces of Champion plugs in them. The PO's may have overtightened them with no anti-seize.   
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2023, 11:53:22 AM »
I have a couple old heads with pieces of Champion plugs in them. The PO's may have overtightened them with no anti-seize.   

Don.... I had one like that too. Stood it up in an old corn pot, on a propane powered burner we use outside (got about 2/3 of it in the water, including the end with the broken plug). Let it boil for about 10-15 minutes. Lifted the head out, hit the plug with my rechargeable hammer drill, and it spun right out!