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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2023, 04:20:58 PM »
Those look good. I use an ancient Motion Pro 4 X glass stick unit. They work great but the liquid in them evaporates (and I occasionally suck it away) so they need cleaning, refilling and occasionally “0” ring replaced. Something fully electronic might be less hassle?

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2023, 12:27:14 AM »
Price makes me suspect the gauges are not top quality but you can check them against each other and compensate
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2023, 08:02:00 AM »
I ordered the CarbTune Pro 4.

Hopefully it will work good when I need it.

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2023, 09:15:37 AM »
Ive used dial gauges like these for many years. Assuming they are calibrated, they will work well.

A few months ago I bought the CarbTune Pro 4 and it certainly feels just as nice if not better!
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2023, 11:37:04 AM »
I ordered the CarbTune Pro 4.

Hopefully it will work good when I need it.

Will be interested how they perform. I’m due an upgrade.

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2023, 07:40:04 PM »
I like my homemade mercury gages but if I needed a set I would be interested in these. Little on the expensive end of the scale
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2023, 06:34:45 PM »
The CarbTune is a quality product. I think you'll be happy with it.

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2023, 08:16:32 AM »
I like my homemade mercury gages but if I needed a set I would be interested in these. Little on the expensive end of the scale
https://thedigisync.com

We had a DigiSync but sold it. It's way too hard to use because of the constantly changing numbers. The mercury type or gauge type are much easier to read.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2023, 03:18:03 AM »
We had a DigiSync but sold it. It's way too hard to use because of the constantly changing numbers. The mercury type or gauge type are much easier to read.
I know what you mean. An exhaust gas analyzer is another example. The changing numbers drive you crazy. Analogue is way easier. You can monitor the dial from the corner of your eye and see the tendency.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2023, 08:11:24 AM »
I've used my Morgan Carb Tune for 20 years now and still works great. No fluttering of the slides. Bikes run smooth. Very happy with it.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2023, 04:41:05 PM »
I've used my Morgan Carb Tune for 20 years now and still works great. No fluttering of the slides. Bikes run smooth. Very happy with it.
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I like the look of that. A lot like my old Motion Pro. Are the slides liquid or solid? Thanks!

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2023, 06:41:31 PM »
I've used my Morgan Carb Tune for 20 years now and still works great. No fluttering of the slides. Bikes run smooth. Very happy with it.
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I like the look of that. A lot like my old Motion Pro. Are the slides liquid or solid? Thanks!
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2023, 01:31:48 AM »
CarbTune Pro 4 work fine. Easy to see all beside eachother.
Double check that you connect to right carb before adjustments.
Easy to reverse order when standing at the cyl 4 side.

You'll see that carbs affect eachother when adjusting.
One carb might be opened more than the other which will increase engine speed and the other carbs underpressure.
I have often seen that #4 is wrong, adjusting #3 helps more than adjusting 4 and vice versa.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2023, 05:52:55 PM »
 geez..I see quite a large number of available manometers. Sense I am in the market: 
 I am still patiently awaiting recommendations from the peanut gallery for some of the lower priced ones.

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2023, 02:15:06 AM »
It's a bit difficult for me to advise, because it's decades ago I've used my set. I donated it actually to a friend. I've developed my own - no noise - method. The Morgan thing could be a good choice, but I have no experience with it. For instance, I don't know if it reacts the same as the conventional manometers. By that I mean the pace: indicating underpressure is one thing, but also the pace in which the underpressure changes (comes down after a blip) can provide useful information like a too lean setting. I don't know if the Morgan thing is doing this in the same way as conventional manometers. Others may know.
For those of you interested in where to initially set the adjuster screws of the oldstyle CB500/550 carbs, as a startingpoint for after they have been apart, I can share some advice. But, alert: these carbs do not need to be separated from the rack ever. Only when the O-rings at the T-joints would be shot, which is not likely to happen. Honda fit two on each side! Mine are still the originals (1976). One spring they leaked a bit, after hibernation prior to which I had drained the carbs dry for a change. Never did this before and I will not do it again. Luckily at that occasion those 8 O-rings have swollen back to their original size. Conclusion: if you leave your carbs in a natural state, which is wet and don't feed any aggressive fluids down the lines, they'll live forever.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2023, 08:20:00 AM »
It's not so much the tool as it is the person using it.

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2023, 12:24:30 PM »
My Motion Pro is a basic unit and I really like it. Buy a new one, and read the instructions carefully. Synchronization of the four chambers, on every use, only takes a minute, but is important. On occasion (usually when someone borrows it), all the blue liquid disappears. It happens when you blip the throttle and close it too quickly. Order an extra bottle of the liquid, day one.

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2023, 01:22:29 PM »
My Motion Pro is a basic unit and I really like it. Buy a new one, and read the instructions carefully. Synchronization of the four chambers, on every use, only takes a minute, but is important. On occasion (usually when someone borrows it), all the blue liquid disappears. It happens when you blip the throttle and close it too quickly. Order an extra bottle of the liquid, day one.
I too have the Motion Pro set-up, and lol, you must be right  Because I have never had to replace he fluid, and also have never loaned it out.  Having used the Morgan Carbtune, it is much solider, quicker, and easier to use...wish I would have bought it instead.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2023, 08:44:11 AM »
I like my old school Honda gauges...


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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2023, 09:56:26 AM »
rotortiller said "It's not so much the tool as it is the person using it." Too true.
I prefer the old school way of vacuum gauges over the Carbtune. The gauges seem to give me more feedback, I don't how to describe it, more emotional? The Carbtunes were not as helpful.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2023, 11:14:07 AM »
You will hear when the sync tool show right values.

Do not forget to slowly increase throttle to at least +3000 rpm to see  and hear all carbs stay in sync. 

Slowly decrease should be equal too. Very irritating to ride a bike that are not in sync when slowly increase or roll-off.
A few snappy throttlings too ;)
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2023, 02:40:33 PM »
And just to be sure put a nice fan on the motor during sync so you don't overheat.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2023, 03:41:07 PM »
I will add to this topic my recent finding.

There is interesting tool available (HealTech eSync), having function of carbs sync but also (they claim) you can identify issues with valves  :o https://www.healtech-electronics.com/products/est/
Clear disadvantage is need of notebook, but many of us have it anyway in garage at hand (I do)

Have a look at video (install and test video section)

Did not use it, want to test first if I have opportunity.
It is made in Hungary, Europe, not cheap China stuff...

No doubt I'm fan of old-school tools (as already mentioned RPM meter, voltmeter etc), but sometime modern tool is good too  ;)
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2023, 04:01:30 PM »
 If you don't mind a bit of work here a set up I made using basic stuff from home depot and some vacuum fittings from the auto parts store. Works well but works even better when the tubes are restricted with some old pilot jets to buffer the readings. First 2 pics show the construction and the last 2 in use(before and after adjustment.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2023, 01:38:18 PM »
And just to be sure put a nice fan on the motor during sync so you don't overheat.
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Very important. A quick sync might take longer time than expected.
I use a table fan placed on the floor.
I let it continue to blow another 5-10 minutes after sync is done and engine off.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2023, 03:57:37 AM »
[...] but also (they claim) you can identify issues with valves  [..]
Any old style manometer does this, if you know how to 'read' it.
No doubt I'm fan of old-school tools (as already mentioned RPM meter, voltmeter etc), but sometime modern tool is good too  ;)
Same here. When testing dynamically, I prefer analogue voltmeter, dwellmeter, tacho and EGA over digital anytime.
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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2023, 03:59:56 AM »
[...] but works even better when the tubes are restricted with some old pilot jets to buffer the readings. [...]
Did some experimenting with the plastic containers Yuasa used to send the acid in (not anymore, at least not in Europe). They proved the perfect dampeners in between the manifold exit and the manometer. The containers shrunk in the process but gave a very stable reading. And... Yuasa even supplied a tube!
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2023, 01:09:45 PM »
Drugsgsm, that center tube on yours intrigues me. Can you shed a light on that? BTW, what's the blue fluid? Startron? Blue Curaçao?
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2023, 05:39:25 PM »
Drugsgsm, that center tube on yours intrigues me. Can you shed a light on that? BTW, what's the blue fluid? Startron? Blue Curaçao?

I suspect that is the “fill line”, but would like to hear the answer???

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« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2024, 11:10:49 AM »
I like my Digi Sync digital carb sync gauge. Will never go back to the gauges after trying this tool. Don't have to calibrate or mess with restrictors. This tool just does all that work for you digitally!
Check it out: www.TheDigiSync.com

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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2024, 05:31:45 PM »
I like my Digi Sync digital carb sync gauge. Will never go back to the gauges after trying this tool. Don't have to calibrate or mess with restrictors. This tool just does all that work for you digitally!
Check it out: www.TheDigiSync.com

Just read their ads and watched the video. Definitely on my Xmas Wish List.

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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2024, 06:22:45 AM »
I can't recommend the DigiSync.... could never get it to work.  They initially responded to my queries, and it was clear to me the unit was defective.  Refused to talk to me after that.  I used a Morgan Carbtune for years, until I found a used Techmate.  They are very expensive but just plain awesome to use.
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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2024, 06:42:13 AM »
I can't recommend the DigiSync.... could never get it to work.  They initially responded to my queries, and it was clear to me the unit was defective.  Refused to talk to me after that.  I used a Morgan Carbtune for years, until I found a used Techmate.  They are very expensive but just plain awesome to use.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2024, 06:53:38 AM »
I like my Digi Sync digital carb sync gauge. Will never go back to the gauges after trying this tool. Don't have to calibrate or mess with restrictors. This tool just does all that work for you digitally!
Check it out: www.TheDigiSync.com

Sorry, but this screams shill. Two posts, both on old threads about carb syncing.

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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2024, 07:43:08 AM »
4 analog gauges with some dampers on the hoses
Simple, effective, not too expensive.
We have to remember that this is all they had back then and they got great results with it. I like constant improvement and I usually go for constant improvement but a hammer is still useful.
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Re: Has anyone used the Alpha Moto carb sync gauge tool?
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2024, 07:58:09 AM »
4 analog gauges with some dampers on the hoses
Simple, effective, not too expensive.
We have to remember that this is all they had back then and they got great results with it. I like constant improvement and I usually go for constant improvement but a hammer is still useful.
Well said! We don't need no stinking gadgets.
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