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Yup, I'm a genius. I figgered it out.
« on: March 07, 2023, 08:39:05 PM »
 I was having a little trouble getting the rings into the cylinders on my 836 refurb, so I decided I needed ring compressors. I had an old rusty 836 sleeve that I had practiced using the hone on so it was now smooth, and a little oversize, I cut a couple slices out of it, split them in half and smoothed the edges. 
 They fit perfectly over the 836 pistons and with a hose clamp, the pieces perfectly pushed the rings in. I adjusted the tension so the cylinder could slip right down over the piston/ring assembly. It worked like a champ.
 And then I loosened the hose clamp, you can see where this is going. The back half of the ring compressor is now able to free fall into the engine. And yes, it did. A piece of slotted cardboard under the piston or even a rag over the case opening would have cured the problem. I pulled the cylinder off and tried magnet fishing with no good result. Luckily the ring compressor landed near the oil pump and I still have the pan off, so I fished it out of the bottom.
 4 hours later, I'm back where I started. Cylinder off again and drinking beer.  :o
« Last Edit: March 09, 2023, 08:23:32 PM by Don R »
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2023, 08:47:27 PM »
Lol  :D
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2023, 02:12:38 AM »
A senior moment, good show.   ;D
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2023, 07:06:14 AM »
That beer tasted extra good, right?
Are all wristpin clips where they should be?
In their grooves.
Or RC pistons without grooves, end plugs only?

It can be a reason for this mishap. ;)
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2023, 09:37:56 AM »
 I actually covered all of the crankcase openings when installing the pin clips and triple checked them.
 I wasn't that impressed with the standard wire retainers, so I put an old rusted solid piston in the 20-ton press and pushed on the pin and wire retainer. It broke the piston before the wire pin retainer let go.
 
 Well men, I'm going back out there, wish me luck. Brain engaged?  Check. 
 
 
 
 
« Last Edit: March 08, 2023, 10:31:56 AM by Don R »
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2023, 11:58:03 AM »
Nice one. Reminds me of a friend a while back, very pleased to have refitted his cylinders successfully and without incident, only to then realise he had forgot the base gasket.

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2023, 02:02:54 PM »
Nice one. Reminds me of a friend a while back, very pleased to have refitted his cylinders successfully and without incident, only to then realise he had forgot the base gasket.

What nightmares are made of! Yikes.....

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2023, 07:00:37 PM »
Arrŕr!......"The plan's of mice and men." :)
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2023, 08:06:05 PM »
Cylinder on to realize that cam chain glider can be lifted.
The pin that should sit in glider under cylinder is forgotten. Or the entire glider.
Done that, both. Possible to stick the pin into the glider hole without dropping it inside ;)

Put  cloth inside as protection. A good plier to grip pin and put it in place.

Or cylinder  has finally entered piston 2-3 with extra pita rings to find that tensioner is outside;)

Rubber bands that keep it in place not a bad idea. Do not forget to remove them ;)

Good idea to take photos before and under the assembly so you can check afterwards when you are sure you forgot something and must take it apart.
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Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Yup, I'm a genius.
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2023, 07:34:31 AM »
Like the saying goes, ".....experience is what you get just milliseconds before you need it".

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2023, 08:08:46 AM »
 I didn't make myself go back out there yesterday. Today it's- go slow and think.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2023, 08:23:01 PM »
 I got the rings tucked neatly in. Two quality hose clamps did quite nicely for ring compressors. Now I'm choosing the rocker arm components for the rebuilt head, I have early cam towers that I'm drilling the extra oil holes in and keeping the rockers on the same lobes as before. The oil jets are getting a clean up and maybe a slight orifice drilling.
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Re: Yup, I'm a genius. I figgered it out.
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2023, 08:44:40 PM »
Nice one. Reminds me of a friend a while back, very pleased to have refitted his cylinders successfully and without incident, only to then realise he had forgot the base gasket.

I know someone else who has done that!
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Re: Yup, I'm a genius. I figgered it out.
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2023, 08:52:00 PM »
I got the rings tucked neatly in. Two quality hose clamps did quite nicely for ring compressors. Now I'm choosing the rocker arm components for the rebuilt head, I have early cam towers that I'm drilling the extra oil holes in and keeping the rockers on the same lobes as before. The oil jets are getting a clean up and maybe a slight orifice drilling.

An observation I might insert here as food for thought: the healthiest 750K6 top end I've ever seen at 18k miles looked brand-new: someone had reassembled it after replacing some [unknown] component and FORGOT TO INSTALL THE OIL JETS. Yet, there was no oil weepage around the cam cover, but there was a "high oil level" mark on the front inside of the cam cover. The owner had just bought this pristine bike from a Michigander, flew out there to get it, rode it past me in Colorado enroute to California to have me install a Transistorized Ignition, then rode it on to CA where he pulled the engine and sent it to me for a 100% rebuild, then made the rest of the bike brand new.

He won Best in Show at a local meet the next summer. The crank & rod bearings showed 0.0014" clearance on average, which is about perfect.
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Re: Yup, I'm a genius. I figgered it out.
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2023, 09:01:20 PM »
Time for "high flow" oil jets?
The later ones can not be drilled to open more. Tried just a little.

The earlier ones can. My K2 head got drill massage since the holes looked so tiny ;)
Head oil feed stud holes drilled with 9.5mm drill. Heavy duty stud does not leave much room for oil. When holes are less than 9mm.
8mm vs 6mm stock stud
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
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The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Yup, I'm a genius. I figgered it out.
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2023, 09:35:47 PM »
 Good point, the crankcase is a 71 but I can't say for sure about the head. I think it's also early. It's one of those 1972 titled K1's.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2023, 09:38:38 PM »
I got the rings tucked neatly in. Two quality hose clamps did quite nicely for ring compressors. Now I'm choosing the rocker arm components for the rebuilt head, I have early cam towers that I'm drilling the extra oil holes in and keeping the rockers on the same lobes as before. The oil jets are getting a clean up and maybe a slight orifice drilling.

An observation I might insert here as food for thought: the healthiest 750K6 top end I've ever seen at 18k miles looked brand-new: someone had reassembled it after replacing some [unknown] component and FORGOT TO INSTALL THE OIL JETS. Yet, there was no oil weepage around the cam cover, but there was a "high oil level" mark on the front inside of the cam cover. The owner had just bought this pristine bike from a Michigander, flew out there to get it, rode it past me in Colorado enroute to California to have me install a Transistorized Ignition, then rode it on to CA where he pulled the engine and sent it to me for a 100% rebuild, then made the rest of the bike brand new.

He won Best in Show at a local meet the next summer. The crank & rod bearings showed 0.0014" clearance on average, which is about perfect.

 Wow, my brother said he liked to open the oil jets up a bit. That's his thing though, everything needs fiddled with.
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