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Offline bacongrease

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Refeerence carb
« on: March 31, 2023, 07:33:50 AM »
 Is Honda make the only bike without a reference carb? 
I plan to sync the carbs, instructions say use the # 2 carb as a Reference carb as there is no adjustment for it.  I have 3 racks for the 750s. Well, not so for them.
Is that all necessary to adjust to  a #2?
 
 

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Re: Refeerence carb
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2023, 07:57:03 AM »
Only on the PD type carbs on the later 750 and 550K3
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Re: Refeerence carb
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2023, 08:08:34 AM »

 hummm...one bike is a '71. 

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Re: Refeerence carb
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2023, 09:39:37 AM »
Only on the PD type carbs on the later 750 and 550K3

CV carbs on the 81-82 CB650s also have a #2 reference carb, as well as the DOHC/4 Hondas of the same era. I think even the 6-carb bank on the CBX had a #2 reference carb.
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Re: Refeerence carb
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2023, 10:02:11 AM »

 hummm...one bike is a '71. 

Could be different year carbs
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Re: Refeerence carb
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2023, 10:56:00 AM »


 All the bikes have the correct carbs for the year.  If I had issues with one bike, the carbs, I would just pull carbs off another bike until I got around to repairing.  So at one time, they were mixed up.

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Re: Refeerence carb
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2023, 04:02:03 PM »
Is Honda make the only bike without a reference carb? 
I plan to sync the carbs, instructions say use the # 2 carb as a Reference carb as there is no adjustment for it.  I have 3 racks for the 750s. Well, not so for them.
Is that all necessary to adjust to  a #2?
What year are you asking about?
What are the carb body numbers??
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1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
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Re: Refeerence carb
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2023, 08:23:00 PM »

  064    this bike is a 76F.

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Re: Refeerence carb
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2023, 02:44:35 AM »
If all 4 carbs have adjuster screws you can decide which carb to use as a reference when syncing.
Important to have idle screw lifting all into an OK position when all 4 are in the middle adjustment wise.

If throttles:
Make a 4-5mm drill to match one throttle, adjust the other so drill will fit in same way. From inlet side.

My stock CB750 K6 carbs have all adjusters.
I made sure during initial bench sync that all carbs were in the middle adjustment wise. So they can be adjusted in both directions.

I used no 2 as a reference. Adjusted 1,3,4.
If adjusting all, a risk that the adjuster will enter the outer end on one carb, not possible to adjust as needed.

My Mikuni TMR32 has no2 as fixed reference since that has no adjuster.
I have synced these several times due to rebuilds. Very often that 1 carb is off, the carb beside the one that make it good.

One carb can be open more than the other causing engine to rev faster.

My thoughts about it:
This make the others to slaves when higher rev make the other carbs affect the sync tool inderectly.

So find the carb that affect revs most have been the thing with my TMR flatslides syncing sessions. Adjusting the other does not help as much as it should. It take some fiddling to get the feeling for it.
Not only an even idle, slow throttle roll-on up to at least 3000rpm and still in sync until OK. Hopefully during slow roll-off too.
I use Morgan carbtune tool.

Do not forget a fan cooling engine during sync.

Lean low jets /screws will make this to a hell. Just a little wrong will affect much. Same during take offs when riding. Hysterical throttle not fun.
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
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K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
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