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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2023, 07:26:00 AM »
70CB750 that is a great idea to weigh the floats !!  I probably wouldn't have thought of that  😏

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2023, 07:53:14 AM »
I can confirm that all the advice Hondaman has given works.

I had a heck of a time getting mine dialed in and got a lot of help from various members here.

I had some issues with mine and those little tweaks really made a difference. The biggest one I think being the gas used.

The only thing I have yet to do is drill the jets, mainly because I didn’t want to pull them all back apart but I will be doing that next winter.

I am not running baffles in my exhaust and have a 120 main wing my needle clip dropped 1 position from spec (the middle). I had a little popping when rolling off the throttle with it in the middle.

I am located pretty much at sea level.

I also think a lot of these carbs and parts have wearing and thing become a little less set in stone in terms of set up.

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2023, 08:13:48 AM »
70CB750 that is a great idea to weigh the floats !!  I probably wouldn't have thought of that  😏

I done it to prove my point that the soldering will not make the float significantly heavier - because of this forum, of course  ;D
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2023, 05:54:15 PM »
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2023, 06:04:35 PM »
Go here for a discount!
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2023, 01:53:57 AM »
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
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Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2023, 02:22:41 AM »
I highly suggest you get Honduran's book, it's a life and money saver. It will save a lot of heartache.

https://www.amazon.com/CB750-book-Putting-Them-Back/dp/B003NTKQTA/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1CQL8JIY58L3O&keywords=mark+paris+Honda&qid=1680706822&sprefix=mark+paris+hond%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840
Dam amazon! $179! Unbelievable !!!

Much more affordable at the source from Mark for $99

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I ordered it at lulu but didn't have the discount code that Mark just gave out...  Ugh

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2023, 07:07:25 AM »
I highly suggest you get Honduran's book, it's a life and money saver. It will save a lot of heartache.

https://www.amazon.com/CB750-book-Putting-Them-Back/dp/B003NTKQTA/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1CQL8JIY58L3O&keywords=mark+paris+Honda&qid=1680706822&sprefix=mark+paris+hond%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840
Dam amazon! $179! Unbelievable !!!

Much more affordable at the source from Mark for $99

https://www.lulu.com/search



I ordered it at lulu but didn't have the discount code that Mark just gave out...  Ugh
I did the same thing a bit over a year ago, a week after I ordered it Mark posted a discount code...... ah well it goes to a good guy.
Stu
Honda Parts manager in the mid 1970s Nashua Honda
My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2023, 07:35:27 AM »
I highly suggest you get Honduran's book, it's a life and money saver. It will save a lot of heartache.

https://www.amazon.com/CB750-book-Putting-Them-Back/dp/B003NTKQTA/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1CQL8JIY58L3O&keywords=mark+paris+Honda&qid=1680706822&sprefix=mark+paris+hond%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840
Dam amazon! $179! Unbelievable !!!

Much more affordable at the source from Mark for $99

https://www.lulu.com/search



I ordered it at lulu but didn't have the discount code that Mark just gave out...  Ugh
I did the same thing a bit over a year ago, a week after I ordered it Mark posted a discount code...... ah well it goes to a good guy.

Mark has been extremely helpful and generous with information. I also purchased one of his ignition boxes. Connected it up and everything was seamless.

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2023, 07:45:40 AM »
Either way, a must have book.
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2023, 01:37:18 PM »
I have tried looking for definitive info regarding the Emulsion Tubes. Specifically where are they located? I have looked for and at diagrams of carbs and nothing I have seen points to a part and identifies it as an Emulsion Tube. Also I would like to know what holes are to be enlarged on the tube and what method you use to accomplish that? Would someone be so kind as to point out on the drawings I have attached where these pesky devices are located? I have purchased rebuild kits and floats from Yamiya. I have read Mark's recommendations. I am trying to determine if the rebuilds and modifications are something I can/should attempt or if that might be better left to someone experienced - ie Mark. (Mark check your email!) I am technically and mechanically capable and would like to do this myself. However, I have reached the age where discretion is the better part of valor. Thank you all for your patience and help!

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2023, 01:49:20 PM »
The emulsion tubes are the brass tube that is removable that the main jet also screws into. And as you know the slow jet is the other removable jet that also has smalls holes in it. Hondaman would be referring to the main jet emulsion tube. Its #25 "needle jet holder".
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2023, 02:08:39 PM »
Yep. I drilled mine per his great instructions
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2023, 02:44:42 PM »
Yep. I drilled mine per his great instructions
Would you be willing to share your information and any tips?

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2023, 07:22:47 PM »
Yep. I drilled mine per his great instructions
Would you be willing to share your information and any tips?

This involves drilling the little holes in Keihin's "needle jet holder" (which holds the needle jet up inside the carb's throat) that everyone else always called the 'emulsion tube' out to a little larger size. There are 2 sizes of holes: the upper RPM ones are smaller at about 0.025" and are OK: it is the lower RPM ones that became an issue, more so as gasolines became more refined as our EPA got involved with their recipes. At first (1969) the 750K0 sandcast and early [prior to about 8/69] production 750s came with #120 mainjets and aeration holes of size 0.0325" in the lower positions: this proved to not aerate the gas very well and above about 1000 feet altitude would foul the stock D8ES sparkplugs in a week of city riding. To help solve this, Honda did several things, which in order to the K3 were:
1. Reduced mainjets to #115 by about 10/69 builds, then to #110 in the K1 (657A carbs) and #105 in the last few months of the K3, which became standard after that.
2. Opened up the tiny 0.0325" aeration holes to 0.035" around 12/69 or so, then to 0.0375" in the 657A series carbs (K1 bikes). Most knowledgeable wrenches would open them up again to 0.039" with the advent of MTBE added to our gas, and ethanol requires the same. Here in Colorado, the holes can be found bigger than that, but it doesn't seem to matter beyond that size.
3. Altered the airbox by reducing the inlet slots by about 25% overall by the early K1, at the same time the bowl vent tubes were dropped from 1-per-carb to 2, sharing the 1-2 and 3-4 carbs for each of the 2 vent tubes. These hoses were also made about 5 cm longer in this change, to reach further behind the airbox for still, quiet air to feed the carb bowls.

Generally, opening the larger (lower RPM) emulsion tube aeration holes to 0.039" in the K0, and dropping the mainjet by #5 size if it is/was #120, usually helps a lot with today's gas.
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Edit: my apologies to those who read my earlier version of this that mentioned the "upper" and "lower" holes without the RPM note, and the location. I was talking with someone at the same time about other things while typing, and my cut-and-paste got lost and out of hand!  :-[

The upper RPM holes are the lower ones (smaller, toward the bottom of the bowl) and the lower RPM ones are the upper ones (toward the carb's body).

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« Last Edit: April 09, 2023, 03:46:44 PM by HondaMan »
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2023, 05:39:19 AM »
One more tip when working with the emulsion tubes. There will be some threads exposed when mounted so do not crank them down super hard with all your might for fear of cracking the carb body and bending/distorting the brass tube.

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2023, 04:23:01 AM »
I am a little confused and want to clear that confusion... I have attached a pic of a tube that is oriented the way it goes into the carb.
Which holes A or B need to get enlarged?

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2023, 07:55:22 AM »
B
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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2023, 09:34:22 AM »
Thank you !  Is there a recommended method to use to deburr the inside of the tube once the holes are drilled?

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2023, 12:33:23 PM »
I am still confused. I read and reread what Mark wrote above and it seems like he is saying something different at the beginning then at the end. And it conflicts with what was said in an email. I thought my pic labeling holes A and B would clarify.

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2023, 12:43:56 PM »
B

B is wrong..... there are only 4 holes of the B ..................

Mark's book says to drill the 8 holes at the top (A)
« Last Edit: April 09, 2023, 12:46:42 PM by newday777 »
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Honda Parts manager in the mid 1970s Nashua Honda
My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2023, 03:32:48 PM »
Except the following is what Mark wrote in a previous post in this thread....

"This involves drilling the little holes in Keihin's "needle jet holder" (which holds the needle jet up inside the carb throat) that everyone else always called the 'emulsion tube' out to a little larger size. There are 2 sizes of holes: the upper ones (nearest the carb body) are smaller at about 0.025" and are OK: it is the lower ones that became an issue, more so as gasoline became more refined as our EPA got involved with their recipes. At first (1969) the 750 K0 sandcast and [prior to about 8/69 production) early production 750s came with #120 main jets and aeration holes of size 0.0325" in the lower positions: this proved to not aerate the gas very well and above about 1000 feet altitude would foul the stock D8ES spark plugs in a week of city riding."

Ergo my confusion...

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Re: 1970 750 K0 Carb Questions
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2023, 04:20:03 PM »
Reading his description I say he is talking the "A" holes, no disrepect intended  ;D