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Offline Gjuetar

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Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« on: April 03, 2023, 08:41:54 PM »
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Hello all, I am a new rider who just picked up a 77 cb550. I am about to finish up my degree in Raleigh and move to Mobile soon after. I have some experience tinkering around. I have a 67 F-100 I grew up helping work on and taking over as it became mine, and a beater civic to save on gas. Though I would by no means call myself a mechanic. Being proficient to that level comes with shop time I just don't have under my belt yet.

About the bike
A 77 cb550k3 with the PD carbs. Previous two owners' project. It has some issues and I have been working to get it running right. It came to me with no cluster, pods, and 4 into 1s. There was some work done before winter, a carb clean and new plugs/coils. Seller sold it to me running but not nearly well enough to ride. Bike was "bogging down over 1/3 throttle" but was not reliably starting or idling. 

Initial thoughts
Thought the bike needed to be rejetted. Likely cause of some issues for sure. Bike was running 92.5 mains (and a single 95) and stock ilde with pods and straight pipe 4 into 1s. So, of course I try the easy way out first and rejet. Upon doing more research as the jets were coming in I realized I might have some work cut out for me.

Weekend 1
I pull the tank and drop the carbs, replace leaking petcock, open up bottom end of carbs and rejet, the bowls looked pretty good but the idle jets had some white residue. Went from the 92.5/95 mains and stock idle to 120 main and 45 idle. (I figured the 120s would be rich but the bike would run.) Got the bike to turn over and idle, the second time I started up after rejetting the bike was only running on 2 and 3. Maybe I did not have enough gas. Rain came and exams were looming.

Weekend 2
I try to crank it up and same story 2,3 hot with 1,4 cold. I put all 1.25 liters of gas I have in the tank now that the petcock is not leaking. No improvement, though this time it feels like 3 and 4 are hot while 1 and 2 are cold. Having read that coils are 1&4, 2&3 the previous observation makes me think its not them. The coil packs were replaced in 10/22 anyway when tank was off they looked pretty good though I did not test anything with ignition system. At this point I let the bike sit until cold again, crank it up and what do you know all 4 are getting warm, no super long rev hang, smooth throttle response and only slamming to WOT would cause any upset. So I take it for a spin. The bike did not like any throttle and would only get going under the slightest twist. If I went anywhere near 1/4 or past the bike would sputter and sound as if it were sucking air. Under any throttle the bike was not happy, but I could massage the revs up and stay just under the sputtering. I cant say for sure what was going on during the ride but it did not feel like everything was firing, even with the sputtering. Checking the pipes 7-10 minutes into riding and 1 was cool to the touch while the rest were nice and hot. Around 15 minutes of riding and I'm heading back when the bike really craps out. This felt like only two cylinders and now not only was there sputtering but the bike wanted to die with too much throttle.

Let the bike cool down again, start it up and feels fine, let it idle to check pipes. All are warm so I take it for another spin. Still sputtering but this time I try to power through it, as I get to the higher throttle positions the bike just keeps fighting to go, jerking when it does fire right and sputtering/missing otherwise. I take it to some hills and go down just to get some speed. This helps the sputtering but only pushes it further up the throttle response. If I let go of throttle at speed I get some burbles and backfires.

Well, that is a pretty complete chronology of the bike and I for the past month. I have a video of the first test ride, and a video I found on youtube that does seem very similar.

If any of you have any thoughts on the issues or general guidance I am all ears. I don't have much access to the bike (in a buddies garage). I will get a few more sets of jets to play with, and some plugs. But the intermittent firing (or whatever is imitating it) issue i think will persist. Upon some more research I know that valves and timing should be done first, and that my issue might be condensers. I will look into gathering the tools and allocating the time to dive into that.

But who knows maybe a CB wizard will know the exact issue and solution.
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Edit:

here is the comparable riding video. I still need to pull mine off the gopro.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2023, 08:44:05 PM by Gjuetar »
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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2023, 01:50:46 AM »
Welcome aboard the forum Gjuetar

Are you running points and condensers or electronic ignition on your bike?
Is the original spark advancer on the bike?
What coils are on the bike?
What petcock did you put on?
How were the carbs cleaned?
With the gas tank empty, using a bright flashlight, is there any rust in the tank?

"It came to me with no cluster, pods, and 4 into 1s."
Cluster? As in speedometer/Tach?
So you put pod air filters on it? Brand?
What exhaust is on it?

At this point I'm thinking it might be dirty carbs from rust particles or clogged emulsion tubes holes (did you pull out the emulsion tubes?)
Also possible that the advancer springs maybe weak and not advancing at the proper rpms. Did you put a timing light on it to test advance?
« Last Edit: April 04, 2023, 04:49:33 AM by newday777 »
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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2023, 01:58:25 AM »
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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2023, 04:55:52 AM »
Your bike will NEVER run with 120 jets. Your biggest issue is the emulsion tubes in your bike are probably clogged and with cheap pods and straight pipes, you’ll be chasing your tail on a tuning setup.

Max size for mains in a 550 is 105/40, clean the emulsion tubes well,and adjust the needle clip 1 slit lower to enrich the fuel circuit.
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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2023, 09:39:09 AM »
Welcome aboard the forum Gjuetar

Are you running points and condensers or electronic ignition on your bike?
Is the original spark advancer on the bike?
What coils are on the bike?
What petcock did you put on?
How were the carbs cleaned?
With the gas tank empty, using a bright flashlight, is there any rust in the tank?

"It came to me with no cluster, pods, and 4 into 1s."
Cluster? As in speedometer/Tach?
So you put pod air filters on it? Brand?
What exhaust is on it?

At this point I'm thinking it might be dirty carbs from rust particles or clogged emulsion tubes holes (did you pull out the emulsion tubes?)
Also possible that the advancer springs maybe weak and not advancing at the proper rpms. Did you put a timing light on it to test advance?

Thanks newday,
To answer some of your questions.
I think the bike has stock ignition with just new coils and plug wires. I have not pulled anything but the tank and carb.
I did not note down the coils, next time I'm over there I will check.
The petcock is a 1pz https://www.ebay.com/itm/163006876631 .
The carbs were cleaned at the shop previous owner sent it to. Not sure.
The tank had a tiny bit of surface rust up high and I could hear a bit of gunk down low, but not much. The inline filter is not jammed up at all.

The previous owners pulled the tach and speedo off and put on some uni foam pods the barrel style.
The closest exhaust I have found is the MAC megaphone style but my megaphone has no baffle and two small holes near the edge, the headers are wrapped and are the type that give some access to the oil drain plug.

I did not pull emulsion tubes and there was minimal gunk in the bowls.
I have not tested any of the ignition/electrical but next time I pull it apart I'll borrow a test light and do that.
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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2023, 09:44:03 AM »
Your bike will NEVER run with 120 jets. Your biggest issue is the emulsion tubes in your bike are probably clogged and with cheap pods and straight pipes, you’ll be chasing your tail on a tuning setup.

Max size for mains in a 550 is 105/40, clean the emulsion tubes well,and adjust the needle clip 1 slit lower to enrich the fuel circuit.

Thanks cal,

I'm going to get a few sets of jets to mess with, I also need some new carb bowl gaskets and maybe drain screws. The previous owner loved stripping out the hardware. I think I might need to tap a few of the bowl retainer screw holes too. I will read up on the faq's and stickies about the emulsion tubes and report back. Next week is swamped with exams and the likes so maybe after then I can get around to it. Gives me time to order some parts.

What is the general consensus on OEM equivalent vs genuine jets? Does the fact that these are Keihins make a difference?
« Last Edit: April 04, 2023, 09:47:51 AM by Gjuetar »
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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2023, 01:12:56 PM »
Your bike will NEVER run with 120 jets. Your biggest issue is the emulsion tubes in your bike are probably clogged and with cheap pods and straight pipes, you’ll be chasing your tail on a tuning setup.

Max size for mains in a 550 is 105/40, clean the emulsion tubes well,and adjust the needle clip 1 slit lower to enrich the fuel circuit.


What is the general consensus on OEM equivalent vs genuine jets? Does the fact that these are Keihins make a difference?

Do not use aftermarket jets, they are junk and cause tuning issues.  You should have Keihin carbs, that is stock.

Do you have an inline fuel filter? If yes, ditch it, they have been known to cause fuel delivery issues.

Suggest starting a thread in the "Project Shop" area rather than in introductions.

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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2023, 03:03:20 PM »
Welcome,

IF the bike is still running the original spark resistors, it is possible that they are causing the hot/cold symptoms that don't correspond to the coils.

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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2023, 05:11:10 PM »
welcome to the forum
never had the pd carbs on my bike but same problem with the sputter like that the longer I rode it

mine was:
individual Uni pod filters
4 into 1 oem exhaust pipe with no muffler
aftermarket 4 into 1 brand jet kit
and carbs were not syncd correctly by me (had to read Scott S thread to help with that one)

what I did:
got 4 into 4 eom pipes with the mufflers
got the original airbox and plenum
replaced the new brass with the original brass for the carbs and syncd correct

I did not have the boggin down after that and all was right in the world

cant wait to see what you find

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Re: Raleigh, NC -> Mobile, AL
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2023, 03:55:50 AM »
welcome aboard