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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2023, 08:05:17 PM »
More pix...
The cylinders look very sandcast after the paint. :)
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #76 on: June 11, 2023, 08:19:39 PM »
Did you use two types of Duplicolor engine enamel ?

I like the DE1615 Aluminum best for matching what the factory had on it;that's what it looks like you've used on the cylinder block.
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #77 on: June 11, 2023, 08:38:19 PM »
Did you use two types of Duplicolor engine enamel ?
Yep, they make the Engine Enamel w/Ceramic in both a primer and the Cast Coat Aluminum color, which is a nearly perfect color match to Honda's OEM color of those days (not so much for matching the Kawasaki color, though). It takes several coats of each to set things up, then it takes about 3 days to fully dry. Once the engine is run for about 20 minutes, it does the final-cure bond and becomes pretty hard to remove, but it can chip before that if bumped hard enough. Once cured it has a decently hard shell, provided you paint onto the aluminum and not the old OEM paint. If you paint onto the bare, prepped cases, it sticks well: if you try to just paint over the old paint it will eventually chip itself off in a few years, showing the OEM paint under it again, because the new paint is not the same solvent (thanks to the EPA, circa 2001) and doesn't etch into the old paint's surface.
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #78 on: June 11, 2023, 09:01:27 PM »
Looks great Mark. I'm sure the owner will be very pleased when he sees the assembled motor in the bike. Is he taking care of the frame or is it getting rebuilt and back in an original paint frame?
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« Reply #79 on: June 12, 2023, 07:54:26 AM »
Those cases sure look the part! Great work, following with interest.
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #80 on: June 12, 2023, 08:20:03 AM »
Looks great Mark. I'm sure the owner will be very pleased when he sees the assembled motor in the bike. Is he taking care of the frame or is it getting rebuilt and back in an original paint frame?

He is doing the frame work, I just have his engine.
One of the interesting things I've discovered in this engine probably applies to all of the early K0 bikes that lacked oil strainers for the camshaft's oil supply. All of these early engines I have worked on (100%) have had newer cam bearings and cams in them because of a probable oil blockage in the tiny oil holes that were just drilled to the rear studs for top-end oil supply. When I took apart the oil passage plugs and cap for the main journal (it runs across the cases at the base of the cylinders) I noticed casting flash inside that passage. Apparently, the method was to install a rod from both ends thru the mold to set up this passage, and of course the rod's ends don't match perfectly, resulting in some flash right in the middle of the passage. I am now certain that the many top-end failures seen in these early ones came from that flash breaking off and plugging the tiny (too tiny) oil feed holes at the head, thus leading to the early (and very expensive) 13-hole dome strainers of the K0-K1 engines, later to become the 7-hole aluminum oil jets. This one still has some such flash inside, so I'm going to have to do something about that or the problem will repeat, almost for sure.
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #81 on: June 12, 2023, 11:26:55 AM »
Mark……. Curious about the paint you use. Here in Canada, I always use Dupli-Color’s Engine Enamel, CDE1615 Aluminum. Is what you use (with Ceramic?) different? Not sure I’ve ever seen it here. Thanks! John D.

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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #82 on: June 12, 2023, 12:05:28 PM »
Mark……. Curious about the paint you use. Here in Canada, I always use Dupli-Color’s Engine Enamel, CDE1615 Aluminum. Is what you use (with Ceramic?) different? Not sure I’ve ever seen it here. Thanks! John D.

Oh,I love that version of Duplicolor engine enamel John !  8)  it has small metallic particles in it,yes?

I've tried to get it here(could back in 2017'),but they only sell me the standard DE1615 Aluminum w/o the metallic..
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #83 on: June 12, 2023, 12:24:44 PM »
Mark……. Curious about the paint you use. Here in Canada, I always use Dupli-Color’s Engine Enamel, CDE1615 Aluminum. Is what you use (with Ceramic?) different? Not sure I’ve ever seen it here. Thanks! John D.

Seems he uses a different color than us, "Cast Coat Aluminum" DE 1650....

https://www.amazon.com/Dupli-Color-DE1650-Ceramic-Aluminum-Engine/dp/B00296CJGQ

How old is your paint can John?  Napa in CA shows the  CDE-1615 has Ceramic now...

https://www.napacanada.com/en/p/NPOCDE1615
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #84 on: June 12, 2023, 12:29:36 PM »
Mark……. Curious about the paint you use. Here in Canada, I always use Dupli-Color’s Engine Enamel, CDE1615 Aluminum. Is what you use (with Ceramic?) different? Not sure I’ve ever seen it here. Thanks! John D.

Seems he uses a different color than us, "Cast Coat Aluminum" DE 1650....

https://www.amazon.com/Dupli-Color-DE1650-Ceramic-Aluminum-Engine/dp/B00296CJGQ

How old is your paint can John?  Napa in CA shows the  CDE-1615 has Ceramic now...

https://www.napacanada.com/en/p/NPOCDE1615

I have two cans that are probably +2 years old. Will see what’s available now…..

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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #85 on: June 12, 2023, 12:41:58 PM »
Mark……. Curious about the paint you use. Here in Canada, I always use Dupli-Color’s Engine Enamel, CDE1615 Aluminum. Is what you use (with Ceramic?) different? Not sure I’ve ever seen it here. Thanks! John D.

I had to use that color once on a CB125 (1974 version) that I restored, as it's original color was slightly different from the SOHC4 color. It is 'brighter' than that found on these Fours. I first painted the top end with my usual 'Cast Coat Aluminum' and then it didn't match the cases. But, the stuff you're showing here did.
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #86 on: June 12, 2023, 12:45:34 PM »
New wrinkle today (pictures at 11 PM): I found a way to remove the casting flash inside the main oil journal! I used a [new] allthread rod that was just smaller OD than the ID of the journal, as a file. I set the engine up on one side and removed the far plug, then filed away the flash inside the hole. It looks normal now, and I have more confidence that it won't plug those tiny oil holes up top again. If it was my own engine (and not a historic monument) I would just drill the head to accept some of the newer oil jets: it would only take 2 drills...

Update 6/13: here's a [blurry] shot of the flash ridge inside the oil journal (zoom in, little black arrows mark the ridges).
Next is the allthread rod being used as a 'file' to scrape of the ridge.
Last is the grit it produced, laying on the light I used below for the pix.
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #87 on: June 12, 2023, 01:16:02 PM »
Head #6122 Diagonal .040" hole from cam block to stud hole.



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« Reply #88 on: June 12, 2023, 01:19:25 PM »
Head #56025 vertical hole, about .030", insert is stuck.



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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2023, 02:38:03 PM »
Mark……. Curious about the paint you use. Here in Canada, I always use Dupli-Color’s Engine Enamel, CDE1615 Aluminum. Is what you use (with Ceramic?) different? Not sure I’ve ever seen it here. Thanks! John D.

Seems he uses a different color than us, "Cast Coat Aluminum" DE 1650....

https://www.amazon.com/Dupli-Color-DE1650-Ceramic-Aluminum-Engine/dp/B00296CJGQ

How old is your paint can John?  Napa in CA shows the  CDE-1615 has Ceramic now...

https://www.napacanada.com/en/p/NPOCDE1615

I've tried all the auto parts stores in the area Stev-o;they have many different types of pictures listed(including online,Grainger,etc.)but when I order a can from all of them,it comes to me with the part# DE1615 Aluminum(it has ceramic)and it's the same as it's always been:a good engine paint.
The can/pic that John uploaded is the type that has metallic in the paint and it sparkles in the sunlight;I just can't get that exact color anymore. I order that exact can and it's been replaced by the standard non-metallic DE1615,even though the picture/description of the can that they use in their listings is the one that John uploaded here.  >:(
I called Grainger,Zoro,etc. and the customer service 'techs' all tell me the same thing..

I want to get some more of that type w/ metallic in it !
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2023, 02:42:08 PM »
New wrinkle today (pictures at 11 PM): I found a way to remove the casting flash inside the main oil journal! I used a [new] allthread rod that was just smaller OD than the ID of the journal, as a file. I set the engine up on one side and removed the far plug, then filed away the flash inside the hole. It looks normal now, and I have more confidence that it won't plug those tiny oil holes up top again. If it was my own engine (and not a historic monument) I would just drill the head to accept some of the newer oil jets: it would only take 2 drills...

I want to ask if you know if there's a reason why the sandcast heads have the smaller oil passages than the later models ?
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2023, 04:34:30 PM »
Head #6122 Diagonal .040" hole from cam block to stud hole.



That's the size of the holes in this head, too, about 0.039" drill can just barely get thru.
In the large oil jets, their bottom dome has 13 holes in it, each one is 0.0325", and the top hole is normally 0.0355" in the K0 engines I've measured, or 0.0375: in the K1/K2 early heads. That makes sense: the strainer holes are smaller than the oil supply hole, at least.

The later oil jets of aluminum have 0.0330" strainer holes (7 of them) and 0.0375" supply hole at the top, in the collection I have. There is one in the collection that has a 0.0355" top hole.

BUT...I have seen a K5 bike that came here from Michigan (touring thru Colorado to California) that stopped for a visit to have a Transistor Ignition fitted, and when he got to CA he pulled the engine and sent it to me for a full restore-to-new sort of rebuild. Inside I was surprised to find it had NO oil jets at all: someone at one point had removed them during some top-end work and forgot to put them back in. The whole top end was in fine shape and the rod & crank bearings had half the normal wear limit (about typical at 0.0015"-ish across the board). So, the 4 oil supply holes in the cam bearings were the only limiting factor, and there were no wear troubles.

I wished I'd known that back in my roadracing days! I would have drilled out those oil jet upper holes to something like 0.044", which is close to 50% of the cross-sectional area of the holes in each cam bearing housing. Maybe it's a good way to extend the life of these sandy ones?
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #92 on: June 12, 2023, 04:49:09 PM »
New wrinkle today (pictures at 11 PM): I found a way to remove the casting flash inside the main oil journal! I used a [new] allthread rod that was just smaller OD than the ID of the journal, as a file. I set the engine up on one side and removed the far plug, then filed away the flash inside the hole. It looks normal now, and I have more confidence that it won't plug those tiny oil holes up top again. If it was my own engine (and not a historic monument) I would just drill the head to accept some of the newer oil jets: it would only take 2 drills...

I want to ask if you know if there's a reason why the sandcast heads have the smaller oil passages than the later models ?

I think Honda was guessing about a lot of things in this engine, and were terrified of a very public failure of it. From the record of the famous week-long thrashing they gave the 4 original display 750s in Nevada after the bike show, where the instructions to the riders were to "not leave the red zone (redline)" as they rode them at triple-digit speeds all day, every day for a week between Henderson and Lighthouse, my estimate would be that the engineers had no idea how well (or not) the cam chain tensioners and top-end parts would hold up to the abuse. Part of that involved trying to estimate top-end life without actually running the engines for years, as they developed the whole bike from concept to market in 14 months, having not done anything like it (in scale) before. The famous racing Fours of the earlier 1960s were DOHC designs and 35% of the displacement, so little was taken from them for this engine (and, the racers would not idle, had to be held at 2000+ RPM to keep running). Those were some real tough guesses to make!

I've also noticed that of all the sandcast/K0 engines I have rebuilt, only 1 of all of them had the original cam bearings and cam, and no mileage was available for that one. That build count number is in the dozens by now. The K1 style with the [expensive and hard to make] 13-to-1 hole filter jets fared far better, have never seen one of those plugged. I have seen the later 7-to-1 hole jets clogged, but not with engine debris: they were (both engines) plugged with silicone sealant that someone smeared onto the head gasket.
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2023, 10:48:57 AM »
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I want to ask if you know if there's a reason why the sandcast heads have the smaller oil passages than the later models ?
The sandcast engines have the largest hole (.040") and spray more oil then later engines.
The oil jets are restrictors.


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BUT...I have seen a K5 bike that came here from Michigan (touring thru Colorado to California) that stopped for a visit to have a Transistor Ignition fitted, and when he got to CA he pulled the engine and sent it to me for a full restore-to-new sort of rebuild. Inside I was surprised to find it had NO oil jets at all: someone at one point had removed them during some top-end work and forgot to put them back in. The whole top end was in fine shape and the rod & crank bearings had half the normal wear limit (about typical at 0.0015"-ish across the board). So, the 4 oil supply holes in the cam bearings were the only limiting factor, and there were no wear troubles.
Engine #56025 has .118" hole from oil jet to stud hole.
Engine #6112 and #56025 both have eight .040" holes in the cam blocks to spray the cam and rocker arms.
So there is some restriction with the oil jets removed.

Engine #56025 has .118" hole from oil jet to stud hole.



Engine #56025 has thirty .030" holes in bottom of oil jet
Engine #56025 has one .035" hole in top of oil jet.


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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2023, 06:58:23 PM »
Hmm...looks like someone thought those little holes weren't big enough?

In the (2) oil jets of that type I have seen apart (both from K1 engines), the body of the outer shell that was crimped to hold that screen in place was blocking all the holes in the perimeter of the jets, leaving just the 13 holes in the center area open. Is that one like that?

I went and dug out my old certified (machinist set) drill bits to measure the oil holes in this #1770 head and found the actual oil hole size is 0.045" at the stud's opening. pic below. The left one is ever so slightly looser, but the 0.047" drill won't pass thru.

I probably should mention something about flow dynamics here, which is: if the hole's length exceeds 3x the hole's diameter, restriction at a given pressure begins to cut off flow. So, in the case of these oil "jets" they did not flow anything close to the flow of the larger ones shown above, even given that those larger ones have a smaller output hole. The larger ones, though, do flow considerably more than the smaller aluminum 7-hole-filter versions found after 3/72 builds, as those aluminum ones have a pretty long neck where the filter holes are located. I'm thinking that those later jets could benefit their later heads by opening up the top metering hole a few more thousandths, and drill that size down thru the others except for the bottom one. I need to go dig up my old flow-calc texts and find those formulas...hmmm...

In the meantime: I think that those texts might also have the restriction values for the length of the holes in these sandcast heads, which should allow for calcs of both the current flow with this LONG feed path, and how much flow is DESIRED from the newer jet, which in turn should give us a drill size number for these old heads to make them flow like the later heads do. The early dome-filter jets have at least twice as many feed holes (and a pressured reservoir) behind the metering jet than the later ones.

Another take: if the upper portion of the metering hole is made wider than the orifice at the engine-stud hole then the smaller hole will meter the intended flow without the long-tube restriction. It does not, however, solve the need for a strainer, which Honda obviously decided (and so have I after the pictures above) was necessary, and came at no small cost in the later K0 production engines.

I'm thinking that would be a good idea? I remember my Honda mentor telling me that when he finally rebuilt his sandcast (over 100k miles) that his cam was sorely worn and the rocker feet accordingly, but he only replaced the rockers, for a reason I don't remember. When I tore my K2 down and measured everything at 130k+ miles I decided to replace the cam with a K4 cam to increase the lift a little more, but the rockers were/are still good and are my spares (I had the K4's rockers and cam bearings so I used those as they already matched). But, I have been more religious about oil changes over the years than are many others.
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2023, 04:24:14 AM »
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Hmm...looks like someone thought those little holes weren't big enough?
The hole on the bottom of the oil jet extends down like the hole on top of the jet extends up.
These parts were made like this then crimped together.
It looks like the lower hole is a stand that holds the jet up so oil can flow through the thirty holes.
They could have changed the size of the straight hole in the sandcast engines to increase or decrease oil flow, there was another goal, not obvious what they were trying to do.

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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2023, 08:03:50 AM »
Another reason to keep oil clean!!
It's a bit scary when you think about it what fouled oil would do!
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #97 on: June 17, 2023, 10:21:12 AM »
Change filter in time and make sure to clean the filter cover and bolt.
Oil to head is pumped from tank direct thru filter and up.

No mistake when rebuild like paint on the 2 inner studs or sealer on base-head gasket that can reach oil transport to cam.

Or too much case sealer passing the 18x3 o-ring over the filter.

I massaged the restrictors on a K2 head with a 1mm drill. Hole going up and a few in the "shower head"
The later restrictors have not meat enough for that drill.
I did not like the narrow area left for oil when 8mm heavy duty studs were mounted. 2 inner holes in head for studs small as 8.5mm, another head 9mm.
Stock stud 6mm studs so no problem.
All my heads drilled with at least 9mm drill. I think even 9.5mm for the 2 inner.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2023, 10:40:36 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #98 on: June 17, 2023, 02:28:37 PM »
 I got my old K2 836 bike started again yesterday and opened the front two valve caps. Oh my, I've never seen that much oil in a rocker cover. It still has its lower frame tubes so there won't be any peeking in to see what's up unless I decide to pull the motor to replace the damaged head and cylinder fins.
 (the foot peg bar was bent back into the motor and riders leg)
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Re: Sandcast Engine #1770 rebuild - I hope?
« Reply #99 on: June 17, 2023, 10:50:25 PM »
(the foot peg bar was bent back into the motor and riders leg)
Yeah, that's how it happened to mine, too, in the 1972 wreck. I had those "hiway pegs" on it, as Vetter hadn't sent me the Lowers I ordered that month (they just came out then) and I had just come back for a trip to the Black Hills. I put on those hiway pegs and they went right thru the front-side fins when the bike went down.

I then had a guy in IL weld up some [crude] new ones, which weren't pretty, but worked OK. The next year I rode to Grand Canyon thru Colorado, and in Colorado got down on the side AGAIN in a real muddy site where the road was washed away by a flood and we happened to go that way during a rainstorm, so in the construction zone it was just like slushy mud, with a high crowned center: whap, right down it went on another set of those pegs, took out the new fins. I took them off at the Grand Canyon and left them in a trash barrel. :(

It wasn't until the 2013 rebuild that I had my welder here make them again, and they look great today!
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