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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2023, 09:46:20 AM »
curiosity, young age, electricity ,.....and smoke go together.....

every briggs/stratton engine I tore down in my youth had the normal, typical Rt hand threaded crankshaft flywheel nut. Some were difficult, but I always got 'em off.....
......'cept one....
I finally had had enough of this one, as all of my usual methods didn't work.....
so I used every thing I could think of to hold the flywheel, propane torched the hell out of the nut, and got a breaker bar.......I snapped that threaded crank part right off....wtf!.......and that's when I learned about left hand threaded parts......
...that lesson has served me well....

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2023, 11:53:27 AM »
Great thread, and well said. I think the You Tube generation has spread and people think they can snap their fingers and have a fully restored and functional old vehicle that will require no attention or maintinence, of course if it never gets ridden then that is true. I've been doing HVAC for over thirty years and can fix about anything that I care to own, thanks to my dad for that! I think patience and humility are two of the biggest factors missing in alot of mindsets today. Patience to work for and improve on the things you own and humility to admit you dont know everything and seek those who do.
Thats one reason I'm back on this forum with a front brake issue.  I love old air cooled VWs as well and I have a fully restored 56 beetle that I finally got the jetting dialed in on my Webers thanks to someone who knew more about them then I did.  I now find excuses to drive it as it has transformed the whole car. This is what I seek in my projects and damn how sweet it is when you get over that hurdle and everything is dialed in to make that mechanical symphony sing a song only a tinkerer can appreciate :) :)

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2023, 12:28:12 PM »
curiosity, young age, electricity ,.....and smoke go together.....

every briggs/stratton engine I tore down in my youth had the normal, typical Rt hand threaded crankshaft flywheel nut. Some were difficult, but I always got 'em off.....
......'cept one....
I finally had had enough of this one, as all of my usual methods didn't work.....
so I used every thing I could think of to hold the flywheel, propane torched the hell out of the nut, and got a breaker bar.......I snapped that threaded crank part right off....wtf!.......and that's when I learned about left hand threaded parts......
...that lesson has served me well....

Remind me to never piss you off!
:)

as long as you aren't a "left threaded nut"...🙄...get it😉

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2023, 05:35:20 PM »
Great thread, and well said. I think the You Tube generation has spread and people think they can snap their fingers and have a fully restored and functional old vehicle that will require no attention or maintinence, of course if it never gets ridden then that is true. I've been doing HVAC for over thirty years and can fix about anything that I care to own, thanks to my dad for that! I think patience and humility are two of the biggest factors missing in alot of mindsets today. Patience to work for and improve on the things you own and humility to admit you dont know everything and seek those who do.
Thats one reason I'm back on this forum with a front brake issue.  I love old air cooled VWs as well and I have a fully restored 56 beetle that I finally got the jetting dialed in on my Webers thanks to someone who knew more about them then I did.  I now find excuses to drive it as it has transformed the whole car. This is what I seek in my projects and damn how sweet it is when you get over that hurdle and everything is dialed in to make that mechanical symphony sing a song only a tinkerer can appreciate :) :)

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2023, 05:42:57 AM »
I'm assuming you folks have all read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M Persig.

If not, it's about a long motorcycle ride the narrator takes with his son and his two friends. Along the way, there are a lot of philosophical musings by the narrator, which you might expect from someone riding cross-country on a motorcycle with no radio or bluetooth headsets. In particular, one musing struck me. His friends John and Sylvia have a Harley Davidson, which is their pride and joy and in their eyes a technical masterpiece far beyond their comprehension or ability to diagnose or fix. The narrator, on the other hand, rides a CB77 he maintains himself. John and Sylvia have this opinion that their Harley is so sophisticated that it can't be trusted with anyone other than a certified Harley technician. They certainly can't learn to fix it themselves! So they basically just hope for the best, and if something is wrong they take it to the dealer.

There's this one passage where one of the control mountings on their handlebar (might have been the clutch) has started to get a bit loose, and tightening it down doesn't solve the problem. They're sitting round a campfire drinking beer so the narrator finishes his, takes a pocket knife and cuts the can into a rectangle approximately the width of their control mounting and slightly larger than the circumference of their handlebar. He takes off their control, wraps the new shim around the bar, and tightens it all back down.

"Fixed!" he proclaims. John and Sylvia are not impressed - such a MacGuyver solution is a disservice to their state-of-the-art machine, obviously, and they agree to have it fixed "properly" someplace soon.

That's my vague recollection of the passage, anyway.

So there I am last week in my garage, tightening down my lighting controls while on the phone to my mother and sister. They're a fraction too loose (the controls - my mother and sister are honorable women). I remembered this passage and cut a thin strip of vinyl from one of my toolbox drawers, carefully laid it inside the controls and tightened it down. Snug as a bug in a rug.
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2023, 06:13:31 AM »
There is a down side to always managing to get that old bike running sweetly……

My wife is constantly complaining to her friends that she has ancient appliances and equipment around the house. Whatever breaks; “the old fart fixes it”!

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2023, 06:27:01 AM »
There is a down side to always managing to get that old bike running sweetly……

My wife is constantly complaining to her friends that she has ancient appliances and equipment around the house. Whatever breaks; “the old fart fixes it”!

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2023, 01:38:11 PM »
lol...yep...

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2023, 01:57:49 PM »
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2023, 02:14:48 PM »
 My car club has started a scholarship program with the locaL high school vocational center. We gave 4 one-thousand-dollar scholarships to the local jr college or trade school of their choice. One guy didn't take his last year so we donated both to the same Automotive school student.
 The two this year are both interested in my pipe trades union, they may both end up getting paid to learn while working and might not need the scholarships.

 As far as me, I believe my garage projects keep me going. At 70 and after two months of post surgical lay-up I seriously needed to get under a car and on a bike. I'm feeling muscles come back that have gone south recently. I got on the weight bench today and did a set of 6x100 lbs. bench press. I had to stop due to a back cramp but I'll be back after it later today. My hernia doctor said no weight lifting but the way I lift doesn't strain my abs so if I hurt myself shame on me, if I get stronger shame on him.
 The neighbor lady asked why I was so active, didn't my doctor say no lifting?  I told her it wasn't a life sentence, I got out on good behavior.
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2023, 06:41:12 PM »
It's a mind set...you either fall into the "well I'm old".....or 'f it, I'm gonna do my own stuff....yeah, like mounting and balancing my own tires, manually.....
we can't ignore the physical breakdowns, but if we get fixed, yeah rehab can suck..but 'f it...no stranger to that...
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2023, 08:16:07 PM »
I've fallen into a different mindset. Either I want to or I don't. Mounting tires ,drum brakes, auto transmission work... Those all fall under don't. Motorcycle work (for myself and others) carb tuning dwell setting and such I usually do myself.
At 33 with 4 kids I've realized watching many of my older friends that time is valuable. We don't have as much of it so we imagine. So I pay to save some where I can. Enjoy all I can. Within reason.

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2023, 03:46:32 AM »
not a right or wrong....different people in different places in their lives........having differences in experiences.....
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kids grow up way too fast.......then you wonder where the time went.....

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2023, 04:34:54 AM »
Eh, to me it's both.  Every bike I own is a thing of beauty.  With rare exceptions, I do not own a bike if I don't love it, and looks are part of that.  I've caught myself just looking at my bike for a minute after I park it, just because of how good it looks.

That said, the mechanical side has been getting more and more attention from me lately.  Less as a function of not paying attention to it before, but more that all my mechanical ability is self-taught, and especially starting out, you don't know what you don't know.  But things have been improving, both my abilities as a bike owner, and the quality of how my bikes function.

I don't know.  Call me wrong, but to me a running bike that looks all beat to heck is a lot closer to a museum style restoration that doesn't run than probably most people would think.  It's all about balance.
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2023, 05:05:16 AM »
let's face it....
Times are changing and us olders are on the way out......
most "kids" today don't look at vehicles like we..,well, I do....a '69 chevelle SS , muscle cars, etc...and doing my  OWN driving is where I'm at.......no skill needed today, except texting...
The truck commercial showing the "driver" clapping his hand's going down the road with the truck driving itself is not me.....never will be...
....yeah, it's cool, I guess.....

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2023, 05:17:11 AM »
I've fallen into a different mindset. Either I want to or I don't. Mounting tires ,drum brakes, auto transmission work... Those all fall under don't. Motorcycle work (for myself and others) carb tuning dwell setting and such I usually do myself.
At 33 with 4 kids I've realized watching many of my older friends that time is valuable. We don't have as much of it so we imagine. So I pay to save some where I can. Enjoy all I can. Within reason.

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Yeah as the wise poets Linkin Park once said, “time is a valuable thing, watch it fly by as the pendulum swings”

I can, for instance, drain, clean, and refill my hot tub. But I have absolutely no interest in doing so. I am time poor so I’d rather have some guy come out and do it while I focus on projects I actually enjoy
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2023, 06:09:33 AM »
I agree with all the above posts, there are things that you enjoy doing and things that just NEED to be done so you do it. I have to be in the right mood or mindset when I'm working on somthing I love otherwise it becomes forced and you never achieve that flow of love and patience. Kind of like your kids or marriage.LOL
Not to hijack this thread but I've been into old vws since I bought my 67 camper back in 86, and still have it. I picked up this 56 oval in MO and dragged it back to VT in 2004. It was hit front and rear and grossly neglected and abused. Over the next 8 yrs between raising kids and changing jobs I got it done, fully 100% restored and improved. I did all the mechanicals, electrical, metal work, interior  and priming. Just had the color spray done by a friend.  Man though there were times when I wanted to take sawzall and cut that damn thing into little pieces.  This was mainly due to poor mindset, anticipations and setback.  It has taught me patience and perseverance.   Just a month ago I finally got the dual webers jetted properly and now it is a joy to drive and I make excuses to drive her. My personal vibes tend to run with the karma of my mechanical stable.  ha ha

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2023, 07:42:55 AM »
Yes the number of times I’ve wanted to roll this bike down the slip into the River are beyond measure. Glad I didnt
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2023, 07:47:56 AM »
That roof on the VW is cool!
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2023, 09:50:35 AM »
The few times I've been able to visit my old college campus, I have always seen a vintage vw beetle, just like In the 70's.....Wonder why that's.....comforting....

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« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2023, 12:35:59 PM »
An uncle had one of those. As kids we were intrigued by the turn indicators.
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2023, 08:21:51 PM »
as long as you aren't a "left threaded nut"...🙄...get it😉

Uh-oh...I'm left-handed, does that count?  :o
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2023, 04:29:25 AM »
as long as you aren't a "left threaded nut"...🙄...get it😉

Uh-oh...I'm left-handed, does that count?  :o

lol....I'm a lefty also, ...but..I lean right...

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2023, 04:47:18 AM »
Deltarider- those old semaphores were cool  55 was the last year for those in the US.
I'm a righty and lean right............

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2023, 06:33:13 AM »
I lean right but it hangs to the left. I call that balance

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