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Hi all, my name is Nick (or scubanerdNick).  I was inspired by Denward17's posts about his beautiful 1978 K8 restoration to document my own journey.  After reading through his posts and watching the evolution of his bike I dropped a line saying how inspiring his build was for a new owner of project K8.  He asked if I was going to post my own restoration project and while I initially thought there was no way because I have no idea what I'm doing, I then got thinking maybe that's the perfect reason to record it here for everyone to see.  I will preface this first post by saying I am probably going to ask a ton of questions.  I will be picking up both the Clymer manual and the highly recommended Hondaman book soon.

Short background about me and K8s - I learned to ride a motorcycle in the summer of 1996 on a K8 very similar to the one Denward17 shared with us (check out the awesome progress here: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,191326.0.html).  That bike had been purchased new by my father in 1978 with his paychecks from working in the oilfields of Michigan.  After joining the Army in 2001 I became the owner of the motorcycle, but unfortunately had to leave it back home until I picked it up in 2005.  During my first Iraq deployment in 2006 my wife had the bike worked on and got it mechanically in good shape.  We rode it together and I loved it for three years before I decided to get something bigger.  Regretfully I traded the 1978 my dad had purchased away for another Honda which I had for a few years before leaving for Japan for three years.  I then took a nine year break from riding while my career played out.  (Wasn't this supposed to be a short story?)

Anyway I got back into riding in 2020 on a new Indian Roadmaster (my Sergeant Majors Academy graduation gift from my wife.  She's a saint) and kept in my head that when I retired I was going to find a K8 to redo and enjoy it in my retirement.  Well I submitted my retirement this year and then shortly after that my dad passed away suddenly from an aggressive cancer.  (RIP Dad)  On a whim in June 2023 I hopped on Ebay to see if I could find anything fun and I stumbled upon this bike.  I made the trip from VA to TN where it was located, did a test ride, confirmed it ran, loaded it onto a trailer and brought it home.  Now here we are. 

The first image you see is the bike as I first saw it in TN before I brought it back to VA.  The next image is of me on the original K8 model I owned and as a bonus I've also included an original registration from my Dad registering the original bike in 1981 (before I was born).;
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So now thats all out of the way here's some of the things I've found out so far.  The bike's electrical didn't seem to be doing a great job despite the battery being new (May 2023).  I had a brake issue which the forum helped me diagnose but in the process I also dug into the headlight in an attempt to get the turn signals working.  I had ZERO success in this and gave up to drink Miller Lite for the day.

This brings us to today where I attempted to get the electrical working again, failed, and then decided to stop trying to rush the work and just start doing things right.  My ADHD gets the better of me sometimes and I want to hurry to have fun.  I then decided to start removing parts from the bike so I can properly restore, diagnose, and clean everything up.  My progress is shared in the photos below. 

Before I started taking things apart I started the bike up one last time to remind myself the bike's engine sounds strong and give me something to look forward to when I get everything fixed up and where I want it. 

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Now for my first two questions for members of the board. 

1.  I'm trying to figure out if the spark plugs depicted in the pictures are still good or need to be replaced. 

2.  Can anyone tell me what to be concerned about in the image of the (research says...) battery/regulator/fuse area depicted?  Does the whole thing need replaced or what can I look for to see if certain parts can be reused?

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Good to see you start up this thread and you look good setting on your Dad's bike. BTW you are a little bit older than my oldest son, 12/31/81.
I hope you have been taking lots of pictures as you go to help reassembly.

Those plugs are not correct as the are resistor plugs(R). They should be D8EA, not D8REA.

The fuse block has been removed on your bike. Here's a picture of what my K8 looks like.

And a picture of what a rat's nest it was a year ago.

I had to cut, solder, heat shrink and wrap back up after surgery of 2 halves of 2 harnesses back together, 1 had you can see the back half was toast, burnt wires and the other had the front half toasted from sun exposure which toasted all the multi pin connectors. So I went to work on it as I  was tight on money to buy another harness.
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1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
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Those plugs look fouled by either oil or fuel.  Have you performed a leak down or compression test?  Do you know the history of the engine, ie. any work performed?

I know when I tore mine down with 22k miles, all the exhaust valve guides were badly worn, and many folks here told me that the valve guides are the first thing to go on these later engines.

Good Luck with your progress, we can try to help from afar.  There are lots of good people here to help.

Looking forward to progress reports, remember its a journey and take your time.

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Good to see you start up this thread and you look good setting on your Dad's bike. BTW you are a little bit older than my oldest son, 12/31/81.
I hope you have been taking lots of pictures as you go to help reassembly.

Those plugs are not correct as the are resistor plugs(R). They should be D8EA, not D8REA.

The fuse block has been removed on your bike. Here's a picture of what my K8 looks like.

And a picture of what a rat's nest it was a year ago.

I had to cut, solder, heat shrink and wrap back up after surgery of 2 halves of 2 harnesses back together, 1 had you can see the back half was toast, burnt wires and the other had the front half toasted from sun exposure which toasted all the multi pin connectors. So I went to work on it as I  was tight on money to buy another harness.

So I'm already glad I started this.  New plugs were on my list of maybe purchase and just got moved to for sure purchase.  At the same web store I'm able to find a fuse assembly too so that's good.

You mentioned a lot of wiring stuff and I watched videos on how to do that but I'm not sure if I should attempt to fix wires I find or just start fresh with a new harness.  The lazy part of me says just get a new harness but as I've never done this I'm not even sure what to do with a Harness if I was to buy one.  The amount of wires that are too long or not partnered up with anything is a pain from what I can tell based on the headlight.  So many wires...

My rectifyer (?) looks pretty rusty and I probably won't know more until I take it off there but how would I know if the rectifyer or regulator (?) are in need of replacing?

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Those plugs look fouled by either oil or fuel.  Have you performed a leak down or compression test?  Do you know the history of the engine, ie. any work performed?

I know when I tore mine down with 22k miles, all the exhaust valve guides were badly worn, and many folks here told me that the valve guides are the first thing to go on these later engines.

Good Luck with your progress, we can try to help from afar.  There are lots of good people here to help.

Looking forward to progress reports, remember its a journey and take your time.

As I mentioned in the previous post the plugs were not the right ones.  Not sure if that matters but I'm going to get the right ones in there.

I just found a Youtube video that explains exactly what the two types of tests you mentioned are.  I have not done either of the tests you mentioned but I will start by watching the video and trying to understand it all.  Thanks for the tip on exhaust valve guides (I have no idea what they are yet...) and I will make sure to better educate myself for the tasks ahead. 

Marathon not a sprint.  Marathon not a sprint.  I will make this my mantra with regards to this bike. 

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Yup...you need a fuse box and a check through and repair of your harness.  Might need a signal relay as well...as originals and old replacements are often bad.  I would be very surprised if there is anything wrong with the regulator or rectifier.  Very rare for these to go bad without severe abuse.  Plenty of info here on how to test your charging system.

I just parted a K7 with a decent harness and electrical components.  Look for my for sale post in the for sale section if you need anything.  Nice complete frontend too...

And welcome to the forum...not really here just to push my used parts at ya! lol
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You can get a whole new wiring harness here:
https://www.partsnmore.com/parts/honda/cb750k/?filters[category]=electrical&filters[fitting]=custom&filters[page]=3
Part#24-4006.
I can offer this: someone already figured out that the modern glass-tube fuses don't work well in these bikes (I can explain WHY if you care) and converted yours to use Blade-style fuses, a popular thing to do in the late 1990s. I now make a Blade-style fuseblock for these bikes that drops right in, and can resolve the fuse problem nicely. Not an ad: just a hint. PM me for details.
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Hondaman - As far as fuses go, I remember the glass type fuses being on my Dad's bike because at least once he explained to me (at probably about 8 years old) that you can use tin foil to make a connection.  For the sake of education for me I would like the explanation because until you mentioned it I had not even remembered the old glass fuses at all.  So please fire away on that explanation.  Also I sent you a PM.

seanbarney - thanks for the offer.  I sent you a PM.

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Hondaman - As far as fuses go, I remember the glass type fuses being on my Dad's bike because at least once he explained to me (at probably about 8 years old) that you can use tin foil to make a connection.  For the sake of education for me I would like the explanation because until you mentioned it I had not even remembered the old glass fuses at all.  So please fire away on that explanation.  Also I sent you a PM.

seanbarney - thanks for the offer.  I sent you a PM.

The old glass fuses were a special automotive type called "SFE" fuses. They could carry the rated current while being vibrated without getting too soft and falling apart. All fuses get warm when passing current: that's how they 'blow' if too much current is running through: they actually melt. Today, only appliance-style fuses come in the 25mm (1") long glass tubes. Some are 'quick blow' and some are 'slow-blow' types: the latter are being sold as fuses for these bikes. Not a great idea: the little springy element in the fuse will actually shake the fuse apart, even with normal riding on a bumpy road. I found that out in 2005 when I replaced mine with one of these fuses (my old one finally got rusty and intermittent) and couldn't get 5 miles per fuse! That's when I researched all this stuff and created the new Fuseblock that so many have applied now to their SOHC4. The CB750K0/1/2 and CB500 SOHC4 bikes only have one fuse: the CB500 requires connector changes to use the modern automotive fuses, though.

And, once changed: you can buy the SFE fuses at any grocery, hardware, or autoparts store, even gas station convenience stores!

And...I have replaced whole wiring harnesses on bikes where your dad's old trick was performed: in a CB350 twin and a CB500 SOHC4, to be exact. The old chewing gum used to come wrapped in foil that could carry more than 30 amps if wound around a blown fuse, so if there was an actual problem that blew that fuse, then the wire heading in that direction would melt and point the way to the problem! But, sometimes just hitting a big enough pothole (me, for example) could break the old SFE fuses when they were carrying more than 50% of their rated current, and this was always a nuisance with many Japanese bikes of this era. Mine quit in rush-hour traffic at freeway speeds while carrying just half the rated current, so I know many others did, too. Colorado's roads are famous for potholes that have fire in their bottoms, every Spring...
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Clean up every electrical connector in your harness...brass brushes and some electrical cleaner. A small brass brush for the inside of the female connectors is a good idea. Gun cleaning .17 caliber brass brush can work.
Wear a pair of leather work gloves and the skin of you fingers will be happy to have not been brushed, or use a pair of needle nosed pliers to hold the connectors.
DeOxit makes an excellent protection spray, or use a bit of dielectric grease to protect the connectors from future corrosion.

Clean connectors pay dividends in lack of voltage drops and you often can find any dodgy connections and tighten up the female connectors a bit to lessen voltage drops in the harness.

Avoid 4-into-1 for your parts needs, the quality and value of many of their components is low.
South Sound Honda of Olympia Washington is an excellent discount dealer for OEM parts. Their shipping costs are reasonable. Parts-N-More and DSS (David Silver Spares), CMSNL, CB750Supply, and several others are better choices.
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It’s good to see forum members giving good advice to someone needing help with their bike.
All I can add is that it’s really a good idea to take pics of everything you take apart, it makes life so much easier on the rebuild.  Take it slow and absorb as much information as you can, it’s amazing what you can achieve by reading and watching others on the internet

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I would like to second your statement about the help.  From all of you.  As I shared above this is a passion project for me because of my Dad.  Unfortunately with his passing all of his knowledge as an original owner of a K8 passed with him.  I know I only got a fraction of what he knew and I was young enough to not really appreciate or understand the lessons with the same level of attention I would give them now.

So that being said I am really appreciative to all of you for the advice, guidance, tips, tricks, and assistance you've provided already.  I have been studying and being more cerebral about this than I had originally anticipated and I think a big reason for that is all the collective knowledge you've been generous enough to share.  So thanks for all the help so far.  I'm going to have more questions as I go but I'm pretty confident if I get stuck I can get some direction from you all.

That being said I'm in the process of getting some new parts in and I'll continue to document as I go.  I took a lot of advice from those of you who sent me messages on the wiring/electrical work and hope to tackle that problem next.  Stay tuned for future pictures/posts and again, thank you to all of you.  Most of the internet sucks but I'd have a drink with any of you.

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The K7/8 are terrific bikes, but pretty rare (especially around here). They make great tourers and commuters.
If you find that you need some mufflers for it, I have 2 of the #3 muffler and one each of the #1 and #2. Sorry, no #4, though.
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You’re getting lots of advice here, I’ll add some more. You said you’ve ridden the bike and it ran OK? Put  in a new set of the correct spark plugs and fresh gas. These motors are tough. Give it an oil change and a minor tune up. Learn about setting valve clearances, points, ignition timing and synchronizing the carburetors.

Clean up any electrical issues and make sure the brakes are safe. Take small steps and complete each one as you go along. Chances are that’s all you’ll need to do for a great ride. DON’T tear it all to pieces on day one, or you may never ride it again. Good Luck!

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…… Buy yourself a good manual and make sure there is a section covering the K7 and K8 models. There are some significant differences between them and the earlier models. They are greatly underrated and I find them to be a great ride!

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   "Clean up any electrical issues and make sure the brakes are safe. Take small steps and complete each one as you go along. Chances are that’s all you’ll need to do for a great ride. DON’T tear it all to pieces on day one, or you may never ride it again. Good Luck!"
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You said you’ve ridden the bike and it ran OK? Put  in a new set of the correct spark plugs and fresh gas. These motors are tough. Give it an oil change and a minor tune up. Learn about setting valve clearances, points, ignition timing and synchronizing the carburetors.
Clean up any electrical issues and make sure the brakes are safe. Take small steps and complete each one as you go along. Chances are that’s all you’ll need to do for a great ride. DON’T tear it all to pieces on day one, or you may never ride it again. Good Luck!

This is great advice and what I would recommend as well. [I've had a K7 & K8] 

Just because the battery is new, dont assume it is good. Charge it and bring it to your local auto parts store for them to do a load test.   Look up "3000 mile tune up" and perform it.  A charging system check is pretty basic, here is a good diagnostic walk through to help you, and they sell good parts too.

http://www.oregonmotorcycleparts.com/Diag_tech.html

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2.  Can anyone tell me what to be concerned about in the image of the (research says...) battery/regulator/fuse area depicted?  Does the whole thing need replaced or what can I look for to see if certain parts can be reused?
The previous owner replaced the stock fuse box with blade-type fuses; if done properly, I would keep them. ;D
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Download the service manual for your bike from the forum's links and read through it. If you see what's involved in servicing and replacing things and any notes or testing methods it gives you insight and might help you understand things better.
Personally in automotive manuals I never really liked Clymer manuals, always preferred Haynes manuals but we don't get that choice. There's a Honda general service manual and a carb manual if you wanna stretch your brain some more.
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Thanks for all the tips and advice everyone.  So far I'm just taking it slow and doing what I can with it.  I am committed to starting basic and going from there.  I have been doing a lot of video research whenever possible and also reading up on the forums, the shop manual, and the owners manual. 

scottly - Hondaman told me the same thing about the blade fuses so I'm gonna keep that in mind for sure.  Like I said at the beginning of the thread my goal is not a show bike, but instead something I can ride on a regular basis. 

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Following. 

You probably found this already, but lot of the guys here use this as a reference:

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135688.0


When I got my K0 - it was free, haha, like a free horse - I was determined to rebuild it from the ground up but I got caught in making her reliable a and in the process put 25 000 miles on her  :D
That said, I would too suggest to put some miles on her.  And treat her to pure gas - the link is in my signature.


Where in NoVa are you?   I live near Warrenton. 
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You can get a whole new wiring harness here:
https://www.partsnmore.com/parts/honda/cb750k/?filters[category]=electrical&filters[fitting]=custom&filters[page]=3
Part#24-4006.
I can offer this: someone already figured out that the modern glass-tube fuses don't work well in these bikes (I can explain WHY if you care) and converted yours to use Blade-style fuses, a popular thing to do in the late 1990s. I now make a Blade-style fuseblock for these bikes that drops right in, and can resolve the fuse problem nicely. Not an ad: just a hint. PM me for details.

Now the 1982 CB900C has glass fuses right on top of the tripple tree.  I never saw a reason - and a way, actually  - to replace them with blade fuses.  Maybe it's the location?

My apologies for the hijack.   
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