Topic: No More Vermont Loophole

[Doobie]

https://www.theautopian.com/vermont-will-no-longer-register-cars-in-any-state-because-people-couldnt-stop-doing-crimes/

[Kevin]

That's a bummer.....I had a few bikes I planned on obtaining titles for. :-(

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[Mark1976]

   That kinda sucks, this was damn decent way to title bike with no titles. Well, there's other resources,  just not as cheap...

[Kelly E]

We've only had one questionable bike. It was free from a homeowner that abandoned it when he sold his house. We had to have it inspected by the Washington State Patrol. Then we were given a registration to ride the bike for three years. If nobody came forward to claim it during that time it was ours. When the time was up we were sent a new clear title for the bike.

As a rule we won't buy a bike without a clear title, it's just not worth it.

[Kevin]

We've only had one questionable bike. It was free from a homeowner that abandoned it when he sold his house. We had to have it inspected by the Washington State Patrol. Then we were given a registration to ride the bike for three years. If nobody came forward to claim it during that time it was ours. When the time was up we were sent a new clear title for the bike.

As a rule we won't buy a bike without a clear title, it's just not worth it.

Same here, it was a major pain the butt to get an appointment with the Washington State Patrol.

It wasn't cheap.

I think it's stupid that you can register the bike, and use it, while you wait three years for a title.

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[Mark1976]

   I've bought many bikes over the yrs without titles, but I'd  normally would do a vin search before hand with law enforcement. I tell every person up front, I'm doing a vin search, there have been a few awkward moments, but I've never bought a bike I couldn't title. Vermont was just the simplest way to get it done, it can be done in NYS but it needs to be at least 30 yrs old and have a vin search done with your local law enforcement. There's other alternatives, but they're all a bit more pricey. Anytime you buy a bike and have no known history at all, it becomes a gamble.

[Kelly E]

Since 2017 we've bought a couple dozen bikes. The 75' CB 400-4 was our first bike that we resurrected. The 74' CB 550-4 was the only other bike with an issue. The seller never registered it. Paul noticed that if we waited 3 months the dates on the signed title matched up so we waited and transferred the title and it went right through. Ever since then if there's anything wrong we don't buy it

[Bankerdanny]

That sucks. A young cousin here in Illinois recently bought a CB550 at auction for $250. Its a complete 1500 mile bike with its original tank and trumpet pipes. However, it didn't come with a title. When I talked to him after he bought it, I told him not to worry, that he could take the Vermont route. Now we'll have to figure out something else.

[RAFster122s]

Bonded title is route most states treat it. Find original previous owner and see if they agree it was sold and then state issues title.
That is $500 in many states...

[Kelly E]

In 2018 we had to get the 75' CB 400-4 registered. Paul got it free with no title from the owner of a house that he sold. 21 years later he wanted to resurrect it. In Washington State you can file for a title, get the bike inspected and they will register it for 3 years. After 3 years if nobody has claimed it they will issue a new title in your name. He got a new title in 2021.

[grcamna2]

Kelly,the process seems to take time to get a 'no title' bike registered in Wa.

I'm going to miss the Vt. registration..
I'm curious if the title places that get you a title(do they have other ways besides Vt.?)can still do it ?

[C317414]

Years ago I bought a boat in Washington state.  The paperwork and title were all in order.  A few months later I had a Vessel Safety Check done on the boat.  The examiner noticed that a "4" on the Hull ID Number (HIN) on the paperwork was really a "9".  The HIN was stamped into the fiberglass in the stern and the top of the number 9 was faint.  I believe that the error was made many years before, when the boat was re-imported to the US from Canada.

This was the beginning of months of circular answers from the bureaucrats at the Department of Licensing (DOL) and the state patrol.  The DOL would tell me that the state patrol needed to verify the number.  The state patrol would tell me to bring the boat to them.  When I would point out the size of the boat and that it was not trailerable, they would tell me that they could not come out and see it, and would refer me back to the DOL.   

After numerous calls I finally found a DOL manager that was not bureaucratic.  He asked for a few photos of the HIN stamp, a copy of the Vessel Examiner's report that explained the issue, and the original title.  A few weeks later I got a new title and registration in the mail.