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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2023, 08:32:02 AM »
Frankly, having been shipped off to boarding school at 7 and then moving to a different country, I’ve never received this level of support in my entire life and it’s very heartening, so thank you. United by our love of old broken things, divided by our opinions on pod filters.

Ok. I hadn’t thought about gently reshaping the rounded hex nuts. I am a dab hand with a file, and I have one. So I will carefully reshape them down to 16mm, and I will flatten both a 17 and a 16mm six-sided socket to remove the ramp. And I have several ice packs, which I will use to contract the metal as much as possible.

I have inspected the springs and pools several times, so if it isn’t up on the cam area then it has to be downstairs.

Does everyone agree that fishing down the cam tunnel is a last resort? I have a tiny magnet with a hole in it and some fishing wire. There is enough clearance to get it down, and I pulled on the nylon thread with all of my 6’3 220lb strength and didn’t even stretch it so I’m sure it won’t snap and let the magnet stick down there.

I have been unsuccessful finding it in the crank case so far. That doesn’t mean it isn’t in there. Honestly it’s a bit tricky to make sense of what I’m seeing on the camera screen, but I may take a video from underneath so someone can tell me what area it is most likely to be in based on the time stamp.

First things first - crossing the top end off the list.
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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2023, 08:51:11 AM »
Ok - I am going to find this nut. I am going to find it today. There is nothing stopping me from finding this nut other than despair and lack of resolve. I will not succumb to despair and my resolve will not falter, because I have the equipment and the knowledge I need to succeed. This bike is dear to me. I have restored and changed it and improved it with my bare hands. I am responsible for its health, and I will not fail it.

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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2023, 09:15:48 AM »
That's the right mindset!

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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2023, 09:48:05 AM »
Go for it! Did you get all the caps off?

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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2023, 10:39:47 AM »
I bet the nut is to be found when lifting valve cover if not found when removing tappet covers.
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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2023, 11:17:05 AM »
I bet the nut is to be found when lifting valve cover if not found when removing tappet covers.

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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2023, 01:09:08 PM »
Go for it! Did you get all the caps off?

6/8. Was unable to locate it, if it’s up there. If it’s up there it’s hiding in a spot I can’t see, my magnets can’t reach, and my fingers can’t reach. I have long fingers. I have groped around up there like nobody’s business. My immediate move is to put all of the ring magnets I have onto one thicker wire and jimmy it all over the cam. Perhaps it’s tucked somewhere. More magnets = more attractive power right.

I bet the nut is to be found when lifting valve cover if not found when removing tappet covers.

That’s the next move, although it involves either pulling the motor or chopping the frame and installing a frame kit. I really, really don’t want to do either if I can avoid it.

Ok. I’ve been all over the bottom end. Trying to make sense of the path it could have taken. It is not on any of the flat surfaces that I can see.

I have fished down the cam chain tunnel from above with magnets on a stiff but bendable wire and shaken it like a Polaroid picture. No dice so far. I can keep trying.

1. Is it possible that it hit the flat surface at the bottom of the crank case and was washed forwards around that blind corner in the direction of the oil filter? How high is the oil level when the engine is running? High enough to allow it to flow forwards? I can’t quite get my camera around that bend.

2. Is it possible that it got hung up on the primary chain and carried backwards out of sight? That whole primary chain apparatus that travels backwards past the oil pump has zero clearance to get either magnets or inspection devices in there. Does checking back there require splitting the bottom end? Is it even possible that it travelled that direction? Where does it go?

The reason I ask this question is, 7 miles before the ticking started I heard two very quiet ticks. My engine wasn’t particularly loud but I had some speed and I assumed it was a stone clipping my exhaust or something. Now, I’m thinking it might have been the nut flying off, and the second tick may have been it bouncing somewhere. I then rode 7 miles on the highway. Then the ticking started and I crept 7 miles home (I should have googled the problem when I stopped - I would have left it there and come back with a trailer). I’m concerned that those 14 miles may have given the nut time to get carried somewhere a bit less close to home which is why none of the usual suspects have been fruitful so far. I’m probably wrong but I thought it could hurt to ask.

3. So far upon inspecting chains and sprockets I can not see any signs of damage either up top or down below.

But anyway, back to the valve cover we go.

« Last Edit: July 11, 2023, 01:16:53 PM by Floshenbarnical »
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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2023, 01:59:17 PM »
This may sound like a wild idea but it once retrieved a hamster from the insides of our wall (long story).

Anyways…

What about a vacuum????

You can run a long flexible hose and see if you can suck it up.

Or tape a shop vac to the valve opening and see if it sucks it up.

You may get lucky???

Maybe a vacuum and compressed air combo??

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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2023, 02:36:16 PM »
I bet the nut is to be found when lifting valve cover if not found when removing tappet covers.

I have lifted the valve cover. Can’t take it off w/o taking engine out of frame. Can’t see or feel it on top of cam or under lifters

If it’s under the valve cover I’m thinking it might be under a cam lobe, although I’m sure if it got down there it would smash up the cam lobe unless there’s space in the corner
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Re: Mysterious ticking
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2023, 04:10:57 PM »
I bet the nut is to be found when lifting valve cover if not found when removing tappet covers.

How much?

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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2023, 04:34:03 PM »
WOW! WELL DONE. IMPRESSIVE DETERMINATION. CONGRATS.
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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2023, 04:43:10 PM »
Did you find it?

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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2023, 04:46:09 PM »
Did you find it?

Watch the video. It’s by him and it was sitting inside the tensioner recess!

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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2023, 04:55:51 PM »
VICTORY !! Way to stick with it.

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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2023, 05:03:25 PM »
Nice job!
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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2023, 05:39:00 PM »
Well thar it is!  ::)
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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2023, 05:41:09 PM »
I love it when a plan comes together... ;)
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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2023, 07:25:39 PM »
I love it when a plan comes together... ;)

Where’s your cigar, Hannibal

Now I just have to put the valve cover, oil pan, exhaust back on and readjust the tappet clearance for all the valves, put the tin man’s nose back in with the new gasket I conveniently ordered months ago (I already put a new valve cover gasket in just now), readjust the cam chain tensioner, put the carbs back on, sync them, and enjoy my machine until the next time it breaks

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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2023, 07:40:08 PM »
And get some replacement cam caps and “0” rings.

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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2023, 09:03:43 PM »
And get some replacement cam caps and “0” rings.

Our man, the OG Paris AKA Hondaman, the reknowned, the notorious BHG, Original Garagester, has some sent my way
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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2023, 09:55:41 PM »
Wow! Good find and good luck.
The nut could have done damage if it went further down.
Most cases of lost nut I have heard about, included mine have landed close to the rocker arm.
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CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2023, 12:12:45 AM »
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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2023, 01:09:21 AM »
Well done, the credo "never give  up" paid off once again. Now make sure those nuts stay where they should be!

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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2023, 03:48:47 AM »
Thank you friends. I drank too many beers to celebrate. I’ll sew her back up tonight
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Re: I found the source of the mysterious ticking, and retrieved the nut
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2023, 06:46:46 AM »
 I bought one of the last billet aluminum cap wrenches that 754 made, It does a good job but you need to keep it pushed tightly down when starting the loosening.
 Congratulations on finding it, that's a crazy place for it to land and whoodathunkit? No one guessed that.
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