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« on: August 02, 2023, 03:23:20 PM »
Stumbled on another Canadian Battery supplier while searching for a different bike battery (the Yamaha TX750 that is stinking up my shop right now). BatteryClerk.ca

Ordered a cb750 batt at the same time. US$43! Are these getting less and less everyday?
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2023, 03:39:25 PM »
 I recently paid $216 for two diehard agm 750 batteries. So, they're not cheap there.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2023, 04:32:54 PM »
Don….. I got six years from the last one of these. You should try one. Came in the mail, in two days!

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2023, 07:40:57 PM »
Great deal John.
Do batteries have a date/code that a consumer can read ?
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2023, 08:57:19 PM »
Don….. I got six years from the last one of these. You should try one. Came in the mail, in two days!

My last battery (that lasted 8 years) looked exactly like this one, except it showed "YUASA" on the front and "Made in Japan" in tiny letters at the bottom. Unusual shape, and about 3/8" taller than the Yuasa wet-cell battery 12N14A it originally replaced.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2023, 03:00:10 AM »
Great deal John.
Do batteries have a date/code that a consumer can read ?
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2023, 05:40:09 AM »
Great deal John.
Do batteries have a date/code that a consumer can read ?

Not sure on these, I’ll have a look.

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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2023, 07:14:35 AM »
Date code? April 17/23?

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2023, 07:59:11 AM »
Date code? April 17/23?

Excellent. I would like to purchase batteries from them;I doubt they ship to the US.
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2023, 09:32:58 AM »
Yes they seem to be getting cheaper here too. I've been looking as i think the one on my commuter 400F is on the way out. It's a Motobatt and has been in regular use since 2012 so I can't complain at all. They are about twice the price of the cheaper batteries here, but worth it if they last that long.

I have seen some online posts claiming Motobatt's aren't as good as they used to be, has anyone seen any facts to back that up?

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2023, 11:23:21 AM »
Date code? April 17/23?

Excellent. I would like to purchase batteries from them;I doubt they ship to the US.

Their website says they ship anywhere in the world (unless prevented by law)! I bought two batteries, “free shipping over Cdn.$129”. Actually came UPS, in 48 hours……

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2023, 11:28:36 AM »
They came with nice caps on the posts. Carefully cut off the tops of each one and slid them back on. Perfect for keeping those square nuts (directly related to Mexican Jumping Beans for sure) in the proper place!
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2023, 12:45:10 PM »
Date code? April 17/23?

Excellent. I would like to purchase batteries from them;I doubt they ship to the US.

Their website says they ship anywhere in the world (unless prevented by law)! I bought two batteries, “free shipping over Cdn.$129”. Actually came UPS, in 48 hours……

ajcbattery.com is the name of it ?
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2023, 01:50:25 PM »
Date code? April 17/23?

Excellent. I would like to purchase batteries from them;I doubt they ship to the US.

Their website says they ship anywhere in the world (unless prevented by law)! I bought two batteries, “free shipping over Cdn.$129”. Actually came UPS, in 48 hours……

ajcbattery.com is the name of it ?

That’s what’s printed on the battery, but I ordered from: batteryclerk.ca
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2023, 03:37:24 PM »
Date code? April 17/23?

Excellent. I would like to purchase batteries from them;I doubt they ship to the US.

Their website says they ship anywhere in the world (unless prevented by law)! I bought two batteries, “free shipping over Cdn.$129”. Actually came UPS, in 48 hours……

ajcbattery.com is the name of it ?

That’s what’s printed on the battery, but I ordered from: batteryclerk.ca

Ok.
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2023, 03:58:00 PM »
I bought a battery for my 750 back in January, it was $39.99 with free [Prime] shipping.  I've used AGM Scorpion batteries for years, typically lasted at least 3 years but thought I would give these a shot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GEVTGFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I dont normally buy extended warranties but I did for this, 3 years for $5.99.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2023, 05:09:37 PM »
I bought a battery for my 750 back in January, it was $39.99 with free [Prime] shipping.  I've used AGM Scorpion batteries for years, typically lasted at least 3 years but thought I would give these a shot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GEVTGFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I dont normally buy extended warranties but I did for this, 3 years for $5.99.

Hmmm
I see only a 2 yr ext warranty for $3.99. No offering for 3 yr
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New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2023, 07:47:40 PM »
 Here is how I hold the nuts in place, my brother showed me, the fuel line or battery vent hose is soft enough that it compresses under the bolt. It keeps the nut in and holds it high enough the threads may start.
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2023, 06:25:45 AM »
Here is how I hold the nuts in place, my brother showed me, the fuel line or battery vent hose is soft enough that it compresses under the bolt. It keeps the nut in and holds it high enough the threads may start.

Don….. I used 1/2 a foam ear plug too. All good ideas!

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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2023, 06:29:09 AM »
I bought a battery for my 750 back in January, it was $39.99 with free [Prime] shipping.  I've used AGM Scorpion batteries for years, typically lasted at least 3 years but thought I would give these a shot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GEVTGFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I dont normally buy extended warranties but I did for this, 3 years for $5.99.

Hmmm
I see only a 2 yr ext warranty for $3.99. No offering for 3 yr

There is clearly a 3 year warranty option, maybe you have to be a Prime member and logged in?

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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2023, 06:38:25 AM »
I bought a battery for my 750 back in January, it was $39.99 with free [Prime] shipping.  I've used AGM Scorpion batteries for years, typically lasted at least 3 years but thought I would give these a shot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GEVTGFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I dont normally buy extended warranties but I did for this, 3 years for $5.99.

Amazing…. They actually are getting cheaper!

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2023, 06:24:11 PM »
I bought a battery for my 750 back in January, it was $39.99 with free [Prime] shipping.  I've used AGM Scorpion batteries for years, typically lasted at least 3 years but thought I would give these a shot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GEVTGFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I dont normally buy extended warranties but I did for this, 3 years for $5.99.

Amazing…. They actually are getting cheaper!

I just ordered a new AGM for my 750 - $160!
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2023, 01:55:52 AM »
I bought a battery for my 750 back in January, it was $39.99 with free [Prime] shipping.  I've used AGM Scorpion batteries for years, typically lasted at least 3 years but thought I would give these a shot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GEVTGFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I dont normally buy extended warranties but I did for this, 3 years for $5.99.

Hmmm
I see only a 2 yr ext warranty for $3.99. No offering for 3 yr

There is clearly a 3 year warranty option, maybe you have to be a Prime member and logged in?
I am on prime and logged in. Still only has a 2 year option, no 3 year option.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2023, 05:07:26 AM »
I bought a battery for my 750 back in January, it was $39.99 with free [Prime] shipping.  I've used AGM Scorpion batteries for years, typically lasted at least 3 years but thought I would give these a shot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GEVTGFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I dont normally buy extended warranties but I did for this, 3 years for $5.99.

Amazing…. They actually are getting cheaper!

I just ordered a new AGM for my 750 - $160!

Geez….. Next time check out Steve’s Amazon link? Looks like you could have had four for that money?

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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2023, 07:16:19 PM »
I bought a battery for my 750 back in January, it was $39.99 with free [Prime] shipping.  I've used AGM Scorpion batteries for years, typically lasted at least 3 years but thought I would give these a shot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GEVTGFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I dont normally buy extended warranties but I did for this, 3 years for $5.99.

Amazing…. They actually are getting cheaper!

I just ordered a new AGM for my 750 - $160!

Geez….. Next time check out Steve’s Amazon link? Looks like you could have had four for that money?

Well...one of the things I learned when I worked building automated assembly equipment for companies like Gates Energy (now Enersys) and some other battery makers whom I can't name was: up until 2010, only Japan in the Far East made batteries with virgin purified lead (Yuasa was mentioned). All the others recycled lead from various sources (including US Military shooting ranges!) to make their batteries. The result of this less-than-pure lead was: early battery death and poor high-current delivery. The fastest way to "check" the specs of a battery to see if it is virgin lead or not is to look at the Cold Cranking Amps and its Duration: virgin lead batteries will deliver more than 2x as much (and up to 8x as much) CCA when cold and will also outlive the recycled lead battery by as much as 4x in years.

The famous "6-pack" batteries that look like little cylindrical batteries (which they are) all matched together are the hottest tech, period. The AGM tech came from them, as a way to get similar acid-cell storage without infringing on the original Gates patent. Sadly, though, when Gates sold this tech to Enersys, Enersys discontinued the 6-pack batteries for bikes. The engineering guys at Gates Energy (whom I knew and built equipment with/for) were about 80% bikers by numbers, riding SOHC Hondas, H-D, Kawis and Suzy's to work. None had a Yamaha, which I always wondered at...today's AGM batteries, like the new Yuasa I just bought, have a very high CCA rating, like the last one of these I had (which lasted more than 6 years). It is now 1cm shorter in height than my last AGM from them, so now the battery strap fits! I had made a metal one for the old battery, as the OEM strap wouldn't come close to reaching that far.

If I hadn't already installed it, I could tell you what the CCA rating is on this one (because I forgot the actual number, just noted it was high): the battery box is in the way, now. :(

Virgin lead right now is very expensive thanks to the collapse of American mining interests in the last 2 years. Recycled lead that comes from other batteries (which is most of it) has lost most of its covalent electrons, so it will become very porous and lose its surface area for the acid reaction in short order. That lead costs about 8% of the price of pure lead, so a lot of battery makers are using it now just because of price competition. Some (from China) are claiming to be mixing new and old lead together to make a "better battery" (better than what?), but there is no engineering info to say HOW MUCH new lead is being added to used lead - typical Chinko market doublespeak, IMHO. In real life this results in a battery that performs well for a short while, as the new lead must give up its electrons constantly, even when the battery is not being used, to balance the surface charge between the multiple qualities of lead in order to maintain the charge: over time. This causes ion circulation while the battery is idle, so after a few months all the lead is reduced to a lesser quality as it balances itself out - much like the way water seeks its own level when released: it always goes to the lowest equal level.

Sorry for the drone-on...Chinko crap and their constant lying about it makes me really, really mad...  >:(
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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2023, 08:17:31 PM »


Well...one of the things I learned when I worked building automated assembly equipment for companies like Gates Energy (now Enersys) and some other battery makers whom I can't name was: up until 2010, only Japan in the Far East made batteries with virgin purified lead (Yuasa was mentioned).
The telecom equipment I used to work with was all powered with 48VDC, with battery back-up. The standard was to have 8 hours worth of battery power in the event of a power outage, with larger offices having back-up generators to provide for extended outages. (Did anyone ever notice that even when the lights were out, the landline phone still worked? :))
In the late '80s, we had a lot of small, cabinet mounted remote systems, that had a capacity of 640 telephone lines, connected to the host office with T1 transmission lines. The cabinets were about 8 feet wide by 2 1/2 feet deep by 6 foot high, and included 6 strings of 4x12V, 25 amp-hour batteries in series to achieve the desired 8 hour capacity.
One of these remotes, which had only been in service for about a year, experienced a power outage, and the batteries failed after only one hour!! The vendor had started using Yuasa batteries, instead of the Gates Cyclon batteries they had used before, some of which had also suffered an early death, but never as early as the Yuasa. I was assigned to determine the cause, and found the temperatures inside the dark brown cabinets sitting in the desert sun to be a major factor. During my research, I did a load test on a new set of batteries on a remote that was being relocated, and was told to dispose of the Gates Cyclon batteries that had been replaced out of an abundance of caution. I "disposed" of them at my solar powered cabin, where they served me well for another 5 years. ;D     
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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2023, 01:03:05 PM »


Well...one of the things I learned when I worked building automated assembly equipment for companies like Gates Energy (now Enersys) and some other battery makers whom I can't name was: up until 2010, only Japan in the Far East made batteries with virgin purified lead (Yuasa was mentioned).
The telecom equipment I used to work with was all powered with 48VDC, with battery back-up. The standard was to have 8 hours worth of battery power in the event of a power outage, with larger offices having back-up generators to provide for extended outages. (Did anyone ever notice that even when the lights were out, the landline phone still worked? :))
In the late '80s, we had a lot of small, cabinet mounted remote systems, that had a capacity of 640 telephone lines, connected to the host office with T1 transmission lines. The cabinets were about 8 feet wide by 2 1/2 feet deep by 6 foot high, and included 6 strings of 4x12V, 25 amp-hour batteries in series to achieve the desired 8 hour capacity.
One of these remotes, which had only been in service for about a year, experienced a power outage, and the batteries failed after only one hour!! The vendor had started using Yuasa batteries, instead of the Gates Cyclon batteries they had used before, some of which had also suffered an early death, but never as early as the Yuasa. I was assigned to determine the cause, and found the temperatures inside the dark brown cabinets sitting in the desert sun to be a major factor. During my research, I did a load test on a new set of batteries on a remote that was being relocated, and was told to dispose of the Gates Cyclon batteries that had been replaced out of an abundance of caution. I "disposed" of them at my solar powered cabin, where they served me well for another 5 years. ;D     

Yep, the biggest enemy of the wet-cell battery's lead surface is elevated temperature. This was why, in the late 1970s and thru the 1980s, many Ford cars had insulator shells around the battery boxes under the hoods of their cars. GM and Chrysler didn't do this (except the top-line Cadillacs) and the batteries had to be replaced in less than 3 years in those cars. The Fords could run the full life of the battery, usually around 5-6 years. Heat makes lead plates much more porous, or I should say, makes the pores much bigger, which exposes them to the acid, makes the electrolytic change to the lead, and then when the lead cools it traps the change in an insulated capsule of molecules. This then loses that collection of molecules until the battery again reaches that temperature, or until the trapped acid damages (sulphates) those molecules of lead oxide for lack of circulation - which takes them out-of-service, so to speak. The Gates patent was/is the little rectangular cutouts in the lead plates that makes thousands of tiny captured acid-lead batteries in each plate: the wound-up versions (sometimes called "6-pack" batteries) have only enough acid in each cutout cell to service the charge that is captured there, so the lead recombines with the plate when discharged, preserving the molecules without oxidation during the discharge cycle. They are almost dry, so there is no extra acid to further damage the lead, and sulphation becomes impossible. It takes many years and power cycles to eat the thin lead "frames" of each rectangular cutout, so those batteries often last for decades, at any temperature. Cool stuff.
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