Topic: Battery Installation TWEAK.

[BenelliSEI]

My new batteries came with nice plastic caps protecting the terminal posts. Instead of throwing them away, I carefully cut the tops off and slid them back into place. Perfect for holding the little square nuts in exactly the right spot!

[PeWe]

Good idea!

[denward17]

I like that, I put it in the memory bank.

[bek1966]

Fantastic idea.  Thanks for sharing it!

[BenelliSEI]

Thanks. Installed it in the K3 and was a treat. No worries about losing the little buggers!

[Kelly E]

Great idea!

[dave500]

you better patent that idea?the battery companies will see it and suddenly have"now with static nut technology"?

[MauiK3]

Brilliant!

[BenelliSEI]

you better patent that idea?the battery companies will see it and suddenly have"now with static nut technology"?

😂

[kerryb]

I'd like to add a detail to this procedure...a small piece of closed cell foam cut to fit under that nut to always hold it up to the top of the housing.  Makes putting the screw in much easier.  Been doing it for years, can't find a down side..

[BenelliSEI]

I'd like to add a detail to this procedure...a small piece of closed cell foam cut to fit under that nut to always hold it up to the top of the housing.  Makes putting the screw in much easier.  Been doing it for years, can't find a down side..

Yes! I used 1/2 and ear plug….. This battery actually has a deeper nut.

[robvangulik]

I'd like to add a detail to this procedure...a small piece of closed cell foam cut to fit under that nut to always hold it up to the top of the housing.  Makes putting the screw in much easier.  Been doing it for years, can't find a down side..

I've been using small pieces of tubing (that comes with acid batteries) for just that for years.

[seanbarney41]

this is great!  I remember the frustration trying to install a battery in my first motorcycle...certainly contributed to me initially giving up on old bikes.  Luckily, I did get back to them. 

[70CB750]

My batteries have threaded posts, no need to mess with a square nut.   I use Mottobats, the one Scorpion I had died way too early to my liking. 

[MauiK3]

It's stuff like this that makes this forum great.

[BenelliSEI]

It's stuff like this that makes this forum great.

Steve…. All good  in your area? Some crappy fire news on TV a tonight…..

[ofreen]

I keep a box of popsickle sticks in the shop that come in handy for a lot of things.  I put a dab of RTV on a chunk of popsickle stick and slide it in below the nut.  Stays put for the life of the battery.

[RAFster122s]

Where an inexpensive source for Motobatts?

[PeWe]

I keep a box of popsickle sticks in the shop that come in handy for a lot of things.  I put a dab of RTV on a chunk of popsickle stick and slide it in below the nut.  Stays put for the life of the battery.

Another good one to keep nut in place and avoid getting nuts!

[BenelliSEI]

I keep a box of popsickle sticks in the shop that come in handy for a lot of things.  I put a dab of RTV on a chunk of popsickle stick and slide it in below the nut.  Stays put for the life of the battery.

Great idea. It’s surprising none of the manufacturers supply a simple solution.

[dave500]

simple solution?its gotta be patented then marketed?research and testing?

[BenelliSEI]

simple solution?its gotta be patented then marketed?research and testing?

So true. And no one there has actually installed a battery!

[Erny]

Great and simple solution! Just pity that new Yuasa is not coming with such plastic cups. These square nut are making me crazy each time I work on battery

[Deltarider]

On mine I have the conventional Yuasa (6 ¹/₂ years old now) and I don't know what you guys are blabbing about. 

[RAFster122s]

Delta for the Karen comment, as typical

[robvangulik]

As simple as this?

[rotortiller]

I jam a piece of rubber under the nut, allows limited movement to align the threads plus solves issue with a marginally shorter bolt by raising the nut like the sticks lol. Jam a piece of a plastic bag in there will often help

[BenelliSEI]

On mine I have the conventional Yuasa (6 ¹/₂ years old now) and I don't know what you guys are blabbing about. 

Look at the pictures, that might help?

[PeWe]

This is what a technical  forum like this is good for. Good ideas that will help us all!
Hallelujah!!

[Deltarider]

Delta for the Karen comment, as typical

You have to excuse me. I just like to inform by offering the full picture.
I've warned several times that when you turn to other than standard batteries, you may have to face terminals which will need extra attention.
If you choose a gel battery, know that many cannot endure voltages over 14,3 V for long periods of time. I know a CB350F owner who had his damaged because of this. So it would need adjusting the regulator. Why would one want to do that? Adjusting the regulator is not as straightforward as you may think.
If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?
Are you prepared to fit adapters?
There's no way you can make an error connecting a standard Yuasa. I have read posts here, where some reported they had ruined their rectifiers by an error in connecting.
I've concluded it's not worth it. So far I always did 7 years with a standard battery. They are tailor made and dead cheap. I don't know what you mean by 'Karen' but here are two of my favourites.

[rotortiller]

If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?

Most of my stock charging system vintage bikes use AGM and have no issue. I like the fact that I do not have to deal with checking water level. Acid never leaks out the non-existent overflow tube. The self discharge rate is low too. I have two CB750s with AGM and they last just fine. I've gotten over 10 years in my Jet Ski with an AGM and replaced it due to age, even though it worked fine pounded by the sea for 400 hours. Even my vibrating Kawasaki triples like AGM and that's saying something lol. If you want a bit more voltage on your CB750 tweak the VR, mine is at 14.25ish volts just like the pb units it replaced. I use a cheap low output 1 amp charger over the winter for a few hours every
 month and it works fine, I just watch the topping voltage at the end of charge.

[BenelliSEI]

If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?

Most of my stock charging system vintage bikes use AGM and have no issue. I like the fact that I do not have to deal with checking water level. Acid never leaks out the non-existent overflow tube. The self discharge rate is low too. I have two CB750s with AGM and they last just fine. I've gotten over 10 years in my Jet Ski with an AGM and replaced it due to age, even though it worked fine pounded by the sea for 400 hours. Even my vibrating Kawasaki triples like AGM and that's saying something lol. If you want a bit more voltage on your CB750 tweak the VR, mine is at 14.25ish volts just like the pb units it replaced. I use a cheap low output 1 amp charger over the winter for a few hours every
 month and it works fine, I just watch the topping voltage at the end of charge.

Well said! I’ve been using these batteries in everything for +12 years. The convenience, cleanliness, and slow discharge rate make them my first choice.

[PeWe]

I have tried to adjust CB750 regulators to lower voltage due to GEL batteries.

Result: The higher charging voltage does too often not fully kick in when adjusting max 14.1-14.3V.
My bikes have voltage gauges to be watched while riding. Rides started with fully charged battery.

My CB750 K2 has now a cheaper wet battery.
My K6 AGM.
Cruising voltage 14.3-14.7V depending on recent use of blinkers, brake light. Always headlight on. LED 30/40W H4
Both charge 14V before 4000rpm. No problem to cruise in legal speeds for longer time on 5th gear.

I have adjusted the regulators between rides to ensure voltage levels.

Both regulators core gaps must be 0.8mm (spec 0.6-1.0mm), the point gap 0.35mm (spec 0.3-0.4mm)

I have seen charging differ too much without headlight on. Or even off when charging level was lower. This with either too low core gap or over ca: 0.85mm.

Stock regulators are really designed for 14.4-14.7V.

I do not charge batteries during long time. Over night once a month.
CTEK MXS 5.0 charger. Lower amp in motorcycle mode.

All my batteries the last 10 years have been maintenance free, totally sealed, no plugs.
GEL, Wet and AGM.

[Airborne 82nd]

Delta for the Karen comment, as typical

You have to excuse me. I just like to inform by offering the full picture.
I've warned several times that when you turn to other than standard batteries, you may have to face terminals which will need extra attention.
If you choose a gel battery, know that many cannot endure voltages over 14,3 V for long periods of time. I know a CB350F owner who had his damaged because of this. So it would need adjusting the regulator. Why would one want to do that? Adjusting the regulator is not as straightforward as you may think.
If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?
Are you prepared to fit adapters?
There's no way you can make an error connecting a standard Yuasa. I have read posts here, where some reported they had ruined their rectifiers by an error in connecting.
I've concluded it's not worth it. So far I always did 7 years with a standard battery. They are tailor made and dead cheap. I don't know what you mean by 'Karen' but here are two of my favourites.

I wonder if they take that off there neck will there head fall over

[70CB750]

If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?

Most of my stock charging system vintage bikes use AGM and have no issue. I like the fact that I do not have to deal with checking water level. Acid never leaks out the non-existent overflow tube. The self discharge rate is low too. I have two CB750s with AGM and they last just fine. I've gotten over 10 years in my Jet Ski with an AGM and replaced it due to age, even though it worked fine pounded by the sea for 400 hours. Even my vibrating Kawasaki triples like AGM and that's saying something lol. If you want a bit more voltage on your CB750 tweak the VR, mine is at 14.25ish volts just like the pb units it replaced. I use a cheap low output 1 amp charger over the winter for a few hours every
 month and it works fine, I just watch the topping voltage at the end of charge.

Amen.  I went with AGM when I got Dorothy in 2011 and never looked back, never had the reason to use anything else.