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Offline pddpimp

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Another carb problem...
« on: March 18, 2007, 03:12:47 PM »
Alright, I did a search, read a bunch of suggestions, and still no luck.
'77 CB750K carbs
Fresh rebuild
Floats set at 12.5MM
Stock jetting
Accel. pump worked off of carb on the bench test.
Everything was chemically cleaned out and blown out.
Carbs were set to factory specs.(motor is factory "77 750)
Needle valve is set to middle notch.
Idle is set @1/8"gap on sliders.

Problelms:
On the bike, I have no accel. pump.
Bike doesn't run.

I'll squirt gas into each carb and it'll run great until the gas is gone. I know have enough gas in the bowls, as I drained them and checked the amount.

What are your suggestions?
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Re: Another carb problem...
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2007, 03:24:39 PM »
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Everything was chemically cleaned out and blown out.

We've heard this several times and later found out that the slow jets were not cleared during the cleaning.
Did you pull the slow jets from the body and check visually that they pass light?

Will the bike start with full choke and the throttle held open halfway?

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Re: Another carb problem...
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2007, 03:43:54 PM »
Yeah, I pulled the slow jets when rebuilding them. One carb had a plugged one, the others were clear.
I just had the carbs off and blew all of the holes out again. Hmmm...
 
I doesn't run with the choke on or off, only when I squirt fuel into it. Im perplexed myself on this one.


Does anyone have a photo of where the accel pump exit on the bowl meets up with the main body?
I see the hole on the bowl, but on the main body it looks like fuel can't pass?
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-'75 CB750 with a little bit of character

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Re: Another carb problem...
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2007, 04:25:16 PM »
You might need to clarify your bench test of the acellerator pump and your on the bike diagnosis of it not working as this doesn't really make too much sense.  . . . The accel pump "bowl" gets its gas from the #2 carb bowl.  There is a hole in the side of the pump bowl that supplies the fuel.  The carb bodies look pretty much the same except the brass plug for the #2 carb has a hole in it to supply the fuel from the accell pump to the nozzles.  The oring on the #2 bowl surface seals this connection.  You can certainly set the carbs on the bench, connect a fuel supply to the carb fuel inlet and then whack open the throttle a few times by hand to observe whether or not fuel is being sprayed from the brass nozzles near the choke plates on the filter side of  the the carb bores.  You may need to prime the pump a bit.  You can also adjust the clearance between the tang on the throttle assembly and the pump actuation rod so make sure that is to spec. You say you have the correct amount of fuel in each bowl but how do you know what the correct amount of fuel is?? Perhaps there is a spec for this but I have never seen it.   While you have the carbs off of the bike and a temporary fuel supply set up you should probably do a reality test of the actual level of fuel in each bowl.  Empty the bowls, level the carbs, (a padded vise works well) attach clear tubing to the overflow spigots, hold (tape to the cover cap works well) the clear tubing up along the carb body, supply fuel to the carbs, open the drain screws to each carb bowl.  You will see the actual level of fuel in each carb in the clear tubing.  The fuel level should be just a bit below the carb to bowl seam and it should be identical from carb to carb. . . . .Assuming you see a healthy squirt of fuel coming from each nozzle on the bench then there is no reason why (assuming that you have installed the throttle cables correctly and that your fuel supply is sufficient and clean. . . .did you clog up your cleaned carbs with unfiltered cruddy gas from your gas tank?) that the nozzles shouldn't spray fuel while mounted to the bike.  With your air filters off you can easily see if the nozzles are squirting.  Again you may need to prime the pump a bit.  If your fuel level in the #2 bowl is set too low then perhaps when the bike is leaned over a bit the pump may not work.  The fuel level  "reality test" should show you if you have a problem there. 
« Last Edit: March 18, 2007, 04:27:38 PM by eurban »

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Re: Another carb problem...
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2007, 04:44:57 PM »
I did a test on the accel pump by filling the bowl off of the carb body and pumping it slightly, it squirted fuel all over me. Next time I'll pay better attention to that. I didn't notice a hole in the bottom of the brass plug in carb #2. Is it in the center? if so how big would it be? Im going to remove them again in a few minutes and take another looks.

PS-The fuel was new and filtered before going into the carbs.

Thanks for the reply. I hope to have better news for you in a bit.
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-'75 CB750 with a little bit of character

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Re: Another carb problem...
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2007, 05:30:27 PM »
After an attempted start with full choke (can you verify the butterflies are fully closing) and the throttle mid to full open, Can you pull a spark plug and see if the electrodes are wet with gas?

Do you have the Stop-Run-Stop switch set to the Run position?


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Re: Another carb problem...
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2007, 05:45:40 PM »
Okay...got it fixed.
The brass plug in the #2 body, where the accel. pump connects, did NOT have a hole in it to allow fuel to get to the carb. I don't know how the PO had got it to run. Let alone put 20k on it.
I grabbed my drill index and drilled a #50 hole in the plug. I bench tested it and it came squirting out of all 4 tubes. Awesome.
I threw the carbs on the bike and it fired right up. Got it to warm up a bit and it idled at 1000rpm. There is a slight hesitation when I crack the throttle, but a little fine tuning the pump lever and that should, for the most part, be gone.

Thanks Eurban for the info on the hole in the plug.

And thanks Twotired for the other info.

Ahhh..it runs ;D
« Last Edit: March 19, 2007, 03:38:31 AM by pddpimp »
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Soon to have a hopped up 836cc *sold*

-'75 CB750 with a little bit of character

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Re: Another carb problem...
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 03:39:37 AM »
Sorry, I had to edit the last post. The part about the brass plug NOT having a hole in it. So now I hope it makes sense. ;)
When the majority of the United States population get to be 70 years old, they will finally realize what is really important. And by then it'll be too late.


-'77 CB750 Cafe/Muscle bike (early clone)
Soon to have a hopped up 836cc *sold*

-'75 CB750 with a little bit of character