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Offline britman

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Chain oiler delete question
« on: August 22, 2023, 05:06:13 PM »
I was getting ready to install new sprockets today and of course another gremlin appeared.  The chain oiler is missing the adjuster. I have read the threads about using a spark plug but I am going to try and hunt down a M14-1.25 bolt tomorrow, the local hardware store had everything but that, so next stop an auto parts store.  I believe that is also a drain plug size on some Japanese cars.  Looking at the diagram of the oiler I presume you have to remove the rubber plug inside the shaft to seat the bolt or plug, right or wrong.  I tried playing around with a spark plug and and sits too proud with just the center 17mm adjuster holder removed. 

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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2023, 05:25:09 PM »
Is your adjuster inside the nut? Or missing totally and oil is flowing out the adjuster hole??

The GL1800 has a 14mm oil drain plug.

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I think you'll still need a rubber plug to seal off the oil outlet feed in the center back of the hole, that's how the adjuster works to shut off the flow, you screw the adjuster inward(right tighty) to stop the flow.
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1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2023, 07:20:40 PM »
The chain oiler is missing the adjuster.
 Looking at the diagram of the oiler I presume you have to remove the rubber plug inside the shaft to seat the bolt or plug, right or wrong.
I'm not sure what you mean by the adjuster missing? Do you mean the 6mm threaded part with the slotted head? The rubber plug sits on the post on the other end of that part, and usually comes out with it, if it is still there; mine was always missing, so the adjuster had no effect. There is a sintered (porous) bronze piece set into the shaft: leave it alone.
I made a plug that screws into the shaft, with the end relieved to let it go deep enough to butt up against the bronze part, covering the hole in the side of the shaft under the sprocket. I wrapped teflon tape around the area under the hole to help it seal. Some guys have used a piece of oil-ring to plug the hole, so all you need is a short bolt, or preferably a set-screw to seal the 14mm hole in the end of the shaft. There is no pressure, as the oiler is drip fed from the oil/air separator in the oil tank, and then only after high RPMs.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2023, 07:23:17 PM by scottly »
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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2023, 01:42:25 AM »
The chain oiler is missing the adjuster.
 Looking at the diagram of the oiler I presume you have to remove the rubber plug inside the shaft to seat the bolt or plug, right or wrong.
I'm not sure what you mean by the adjuster missing? Do you mean the 6mm threaded part with the slotted head? The rubber plug sits on the post on the other end of that part, and usually comes out with it, if it is still there; mine was always missing, so the adjuster had no effect. There is a sintered (porous) bronze piece set into the shaft: leave it alone.
I made a plug that screws into the shaft, with the end relieved to let it go deep enough to butt up against the bronze part, covering the hole in the side of the shaft under the sprocket. I wrapped teflon tape around the area under the hole to help it seal. Some guys have used a piece of oil-ring to plug the hole, so all you need is a short bolt, or preferably a set-screw to seal the 14mm hole in the end of the shaft. There is no pressure, as the oiler is drip fed from the oil/air separator in the oil tank, and then only after high RPMs.

Scott
Do you have extra plugs available for those of us that don't have the tooling to make them?
Stu
Honda Parts manager in the mid 1970s Nashua Honda
My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2023, 06:39:37 AM »
I am sorry I did not post pictures initially, was just tired and ready for a break.  Forgive the old digital camera shots, but I have never been able to get cell phone pictures posted here.  This is what I have.  Missing center adjustment screw, 6mm I believe.  Of course the lock washer prongs are long gone, and I think part of the rubber end of the adjustment mechanism is still in the shaft.  Suggestions, I just want to seal the damn thing so it doesn't leak, I have chain lube. I should add it looked like someone had stuffed a small piece of rubber into the adjustment hole when I first pulled it...
 

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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2023, 07:28:33 AM »
For phone pictures, take picture, then screenshot it. That reduces the size so it will fit the forum size limits (works on my phone.

That rubber looks like RTV in there.
Stu
Honda Parts manager in the mid 1970s Nashua Honda
My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2023, 12:29:31 PM »
It was RTV, completely full.  Me being the half blind buffoon I am took it for part of the rubber plug broken off of the adjustment screw.  After a few minutes of digging out the crap with a ex-acto knife and needle nose, I had a nice clean barrel and could even locate the feed hole.  The drain plug bolt went in perfectly, well past the feed hole, after shortening it just a bit.  I covered it with teflon tape and even used the plastic washer with a little grey silicone around both sides.  Thanks one and all for the input and hope this helps another lost soul in the future.....


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I did learn how to take a screen shot with the iPhone, but in my case it still shows up as the file to too large for the site.  Going to have to learn how to resize the shots eventually......
 

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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2023, 12:51:51 PM »
Going to have to learn how to resize the shots eventually......
 

Another way to post is shoot the pic with your phone and email it to yourself.
Then save it to your desktop computer and attach it to your post.
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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2023, 01:58:18 PM »
Or the site can raise the picture size, it's a little on the small size for current technology. I frequent 3 other sites and none of them have the picture size issue and actually encourage you to load pictures on the website so the Photobucket disaster doesn't happen again. V4 Musclebike hardly lost anything because they encouraged you to do so long before it happened.
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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2023, 03:38:26 PM »
It was RTV, completely full.  Me being the half blind buffoon I am took it for part of the rubber plug broken off of the adjustment screw.  After a few minutes of digging out the crap with a ex-acto knife and needle nose, I had a nice clean barrel and could even locate the feed hole.  The drain plug bolt went in perfectly, well past the feed hole, after shortening it just a bit.  I covered it with teflon tape and even used the plastic washer with a little grey silicone around both sides.  Thanks one and all for the input and hope this helps another lost soul in the future.....


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I did learn how to take a screen shot with the iPhone, but in my case it still shows up as the file to too large for the site.  Going to have to learn how to resize the shots eventually......

I am not doing it strictly on a phone but I prefer to crop pictures then resize to 800 wide, then push to IMGUR and then post the image link here.

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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2023, 08:23:00 PM »
It was RTV, completely full.  Me being the half blind buffoon I am took it for part of the rubber plug broken off of the adjustment screw.  After a few minutes of digging out the crap with a ex-acto knife and needle nose, I had a nice clean barrel and could even locate the feed hole.  The drain plug bolt went in perfectly, well past the feed hole, after shortening it just a bit.  I covered it with teflon tape and even used the plastic washer with a little grey silicone around both sides.  Thanks one and all for the input and hope this helps another lost soul in the future.....

The RTV would have plugged up the hole, even without the drain plug. Like I mentioned, there is no pressure. ;) The off-the-shelf drain plug looks to be a good solution; just how did you have to modify it? BTW, I wouldn't bother with the plastic washer; in fact, I would have removed it before anyone saw it, but too late now. ;D
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Re: Chain oiler delete question
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2023, 06:06:15 AM »
All I had to do to the drain plug was shorten it just a bit so it would bottom out, other than that it worked perfectly.  I thought about the washer, it may still come off before I bolt everything back up.  Regardless, I don't think it will leak either way.....This project is one of those where you fix 2 things and find 5 more, this poor bike has seen a hard life.  Now for the stator wires which are just twisted together and covered with electrical tape.....