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Offline ldebackker

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Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« on: October 01, 2023, 08:39:12 AM »
My tacho has not been accurate for some time so took it off today to see if it could be fixed. I think I found the problem but would like to restore the damping of the needle at the same time. My question is if anyone has found a way to do this without taking off the needle?

I found some useful though dated info here: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,110016.0.html and here: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,78890.0.html

I'd like to refill the tiny pot with oil as discussed in above threads. However, I want to avoid taking off the needle, dial and metal bar below the dial (this is what other people seem to have done). These parts seem quite fragile and I don't want to break them. Has anyone found an alternative way of refilling this pot, or an alternative method altogether of bringing some damping back?

Oh, and for the benefit of others that might encounter the same issue; I suspect my tacho hardly doing a thing had to do with the magnetic piece that spins inside a metal cup and that is on the other end of where the cable is attached. This piece could spin independent of the axle that it sits on. Meaning it could also spin slower or not at all as the engine turns over. I'm glueing it in place to fix this and expect this will sort it out.

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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2023, 09:41:52 AM »
 I'm not sure about how to add the fluid but have a pair of K1 gauges that are a little twitchy, I'd assume the damping material has dried or leaked.
 I've also wondered about face staining, I was told light oil on a cable can climb up into the gauge, that sounds improbable, but it does get there somehow.
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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2023, 04:07:46 AM »
I had a stuck gauge because the damping fluid dribbled out, and covered the bell which is driven by the rotating magnet. so it was sticky until i drove the bike fast enough, the needle would then jump to the correct speed. after a thorough cleaning my needle moved freely and without twitching, i didnt even had to mess with the dampening.

the tiny cylinder is just a hollow container, and the damping fluid is sloshing around in it. its usually quite viscous, some people had success filling in silicone oil which you can get in tiny amounts (but all kinds of viscosities) for RC-Car-shocks.

You know the trick to distinguish a hardboiled egg from a raw egg (without cracking it open)? spin it on a table, then quickly stop it and immediately let go again. if it continues spinning (or at least lingering), its raw, because the liquid inside still spins, dragging the shell along. a hardboiled egg stops completely.

Same goes for that dampener. its just a container that rotates with the needle shaft. the mass and viscosity inside the container dictates how quickly it can accelerate: too little mass, or to thin (like Isopropyl alcohol which is a bad example because it would evaporate quickly), makes the needle very jumpy. too much or thick (gear oil, maple syrup), and the needle becomes very heavy and slow to response, or makes it overshooting.

you could try drilling a small hole from the side, fill it with a syringe (use a decent sized needle, or you'll be filling forever trying to force viscous liquid through a thin capillary), then shut the filling hole with a tiny set screw, or a dab of glue which isnt bothered by silicone (i know no glue who could do that).
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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2023, 04:36:26 AM »
Oh man, just went through the links you posted, they pretty much cover everything i added...

Glueing something contaminated with silicone oil is very difficult, but i just had an idea: why not trying to seal the damper with RTV? scratch the container with some sandpaper, to give it some tooth, fill it, then close the hole with a dab of RTV... might be a possible solution, which isnt bothered too much by some spilled silicone oil.
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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2023, 06:30:08 AM »
Thanks. Yes, I've seen someone else suggest drilling a hole. But I'm a bit reluctant to apply pressure to this delicate part...

I was thinking perhaps it's possible to get some oil in between the container and the brass shaft that enters it from the top. Without taking the dial assembly off.

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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2023, 07:32:44 AM »
These are magnetic instruments.  It is the friction and pull between the magnet and the bell housing which overcomes the spring and moves the needle.  If you glue the housing and magnet together it will just break the spring.  If it works but the needle flutters a little then refilling the damping pot should fix it.  If the gauge doesn't read correctly then the magnet could have lost its pull or the spring might need to be adjusted.  You can't check any of this yourself.  The gauge needs to be calibrated to see where it is reading compared to where it should be.  Foreign Speedo can do this and repair the gauge as well.  http://www.foreignspeedoinc.com/

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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2023, 07:45:58 AM »
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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2023, 03:36:22 PM »
Hi all,

as I wrote Years ago, You have to Do it the way as I showed it in the pictures in the link above.
You can't drill a hole in the pod ! You can try it but I wouldn't do it ad I nerver done it over the Years.
If I remeber right Marcel asked me the same question 8 or 9 Years ago BTW-> time is runnning fast :)
 
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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2023, 05:13:37 PM »
 I remember when the car mags would fix any speedometer issue by saying just run down to your local speedometer shop. They could in so. Cal. I could not in the middle of illinois.
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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2023, 07:34:06 PM »
Marcel didn’t refill the dampener fluid unless I am mistaken…his services were cosmetic restoration.
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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2023, 02:05:32 AM »
...for sure he did refill the damper pod.

Have a good one...Georg

Marcel didn’t refill the dampener fluid unless I am mistaken…his services were cosmetic restoration.
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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2023, 06:25:12 AM »
I figured I'd just see if I could drill a small hole in the damping pot using minimal force and this actually worked well. The material is quite soft.

Ordered some 30k differential oil and picked up some needles from the pharmacy. Let's see what it does :)

Just need to figure out how to close the hole after refilling, ie a type of glue viscous enough to seal the hole. Thinking along the lines of nail polish or super glue now.

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Re: Fixing damping in speedo/tacho
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2023, 06:16:08 AM »
I figured I'd just see if I could drill a small hole in the damping pot using minimal force and this actually worked well. The material is quite soft.

Ordered some 30k differential oil and picked up some needles from the pharmacy. Let's see what it does :)

Just need to figure out how to close the hole after refilling, ie a type of glue viscous enough to seal the hole. Thinking along the lines of nail polish or super glue now.

...to drill a hole in the pot and close it will not be a problem but all the small parts that You don't remove are gummed up with the old oil that left the pot.

Good luck and have a good one...Georg
 
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