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Offline fizzlebottom

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Working on an old Yamaha makes me appreciate my Honda FSM
« on: October 13, 2023, 07:55:13 AM »
My friend & his wife bought a little 1966 Yamaha YGS1 for pennies on the dollar. It is an 80cc 2-stroke, cosmetically amazing, and mechanically complete. The seller said he just had too many projects and this was the lowest on the totem pole. The seller included both the original Yamaha shop manual and the owner's manual, which I was just over the moon about. They have no mechanical experience and wanted a fun project, so asked me if I could help them get it going.

We've been working on it a day or two per week over the past ~3 weeks. Let me tell you, the Yamaha shop manual is the least helpful thing I've ever seen.

For example, we pulled the cylinder head to inspect the piston and cylinder walls. When putting it back together I looked for torque specs on the cylinder stud nuts. Nothing. Diagrams and pictures are not as helpful as I'd want. No good details on almost any disassembly or reassembly procedure at all. The most it gives is "check that [X] is operating properly". Ok, how???

The other thing that is driving me completely nuts is the lack of info about specialty tools. We need to pull the magneto which requires a puller. My Honda manual is so good at calling out Honda part numbers for every tool needed at the front of each section that I was hopefully expecting the same thing from Yamaha so we could order the right size the first time. Nope. Just guesswork. Just 57 year old pictures and no numbers.

I'd say the one saving grace about working on this little bike is that parts are mostly still available and it is overall cheaper than working on my Honda. I'm just so confused about how shops even worked on these back in the day if they gave a damn about specs.
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Re: Working on an old Yamaha makes me appreciate my Honda FSM
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2023, 08:33:17 AM »
When I was restoring my XS650 I noticed the same thing, I have the Yamaha shop manual and it's pretty terrible, far less detail compared to the Honda documentation.
This was a case where having the Chilton/Clymer manual to supplement the factory manual was a good idea.

I will say the Yamaha parts diagrams were pretty good (at least for the XS650) which was helpful when reassembling everything.
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Re: Working on an old Yamaha makes me appreciate my Honda FSM
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2023, 09:19:14 AM »
I have an 06 FJR, which is an awsome bike, and a Yamaha FSM. I would agree that the FSM is not what I expected, but everything is in there. It is just the ability to look something up is pretty poor. There is no index in the back of the book and the table of contents is only titles, so it is pretty tough to find things. However their cross reference is excellent for things related to what you are working on. It is a good book but very weird to navigate.  I have never owned a FSM by Honda, just an old Clymer for my CL72, so I can't really compare the two.
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Re: Working on an old Yamaha makes me appreciate my Honda FSM
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2023, 11:33:53 AM »
This was a case where having the Chilton/Clymer manual to supplement the factory manual was a good idea.

Man, I WISH there was a 3rd party manual for this bike. No such thing. Just Yamaha, and it is absolutely devoid of detail. I'll have to suffer with it for now. Just wanna get this bike up and running for my friends so they can feel the itch to move on to something nicer. Maybe a Honda?
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Re: Working on an old Yamaha makes me appreciate my Honda FSM
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2023, 03:49:38 PM »
I understand your pain.
 I have been restoring sub 1972 Yamahas for a long while and sometimes it can be a real pain and puzzle on details for the old bikes.
My best advise to to you and your friends is to join this Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/124952447914283

This group is dedicated to these bikes and is loaded with great, helpful members that can help you tremendously in this project.
 Good luck!

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Re: Working on an old Yamaha makes me appreciate my Honda FSM
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2023, 10:58:54 PM »
I understand your pain.
 I have been restoring sub 1972 Yamahas for a long while and sometimes it can be a real pain and puzzle on details for the old bikes.
My best advise to to you and your friends is to join this Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/124952447914283

This group is dedicated to these bikes and is loaded with great, helpful members that can help you tremendously in this project.
 Good luck!

I use Facebook so infrequently these days that I didn't even think about that as an option. Thanks for the pointer.
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Re: Working on an old Yamaha makes me appreciate my Honda FSM
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2023, 12:57:16 AM »
I understand your pain.
 I have been restoring sub 1972 Yamahas for a long while and sometimes it can be a real pain and puzzle on details for the old bikes.
My best advise to to you and your friends is to join this Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/124952447914283

This group is dedicated to these bikes and is loaded with great, helpful members that can help you tremendously in this project.
 Good luck!

I use Facebook so infrequently these days that I didn't even think about that as an option. Thanks for the pointer.

The thing with a lot of FarceBook groups is you can always get an answer to your questions. The quality of the answer may be a bit off, but you always get an answer! Not all groups are iffy, but some of the answers can be quite entertaining.  YMMV
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The difference between an ass kisser and brown noser is merely depth perception.  Stolen from RAFster122s