Topic: Question for Deltarider

[70CB750]

The US is actually ranked 50th in terms of freedom, the Netherlands at #9. But do carry on.

You are funny.  What are you smoking?

Hella weed, bro.

Of course you are. i never doubted that.  Enjoy. 

[carnivorous chicken]

Cantankerous Cal actually agreed so this might be one where you're on your own.

Correction, chicken, I agreed with your statement. I said I didn’t agree with the report in the link.

The Freedom House was actually considered a conservative oranization (and had a heyday in the anti-commie period -- although it opposed McCarthyism) and had, IIRC, Dick Cheney on its board for a while.

[scottly]

Thanks for the PM, Scottly. I had missed it. Two cars came into my mind instantly and - to be honest - the first example is not a very good one. Have a look at the Citroën in the pic. Believe it or not, that flying saucer was launched in 19.....55! I remember having read somewhere in the 60-70s that Citroën complained about low sales figures in the US and they used to say they should have put more chrome on them to arrive at better results.

No amount of chrome would have increased the sales of the Citroen: that would only be putting lipstick on a pig. They did have some neat features, but they were as attractive as a mud fence.
Your previous statement about how we wouldn't buy cars with only four cylinders because we would be embarrassed could not be further from the truth. We bought MGs, Triumphs, Austins, Renaults, Fiats, etc, and more than any other European brand, Volkswagens.
My family's car growing up in the '60s was a 1959 VW bus. My dad set it up as a camper for all seven of us to sleep in, and it hauled us from California to Colorado and back more than once, as well as a trip to the Seattle Worlds Fair.
Early air-cooled VWs are still quite popular here, even more than SOHC Hondas.

[scottly]

The worst van designed ever imo, was the VW van. From a designer's point of view, everything was wrong with it. Not many know this, but the VW van was designed by a Dutchman.

What was so wrong with the VW bus?? And you are saying it was a Dutchman that #$%*ed up the design?
If you were in Arizona last month, your could have attended the annual Jerome Jamboree, a gathering of VW bus fans from near and far. One year there were a couple of guys from your part of the world with an raised-top ambulance conversion, which was extremely rare.   

[scottly]

[quote [/i]author=carnivorous chicken link=topic=193754.msg2263538#msg2263538 date=1697770007]

Cantankerous Cal actually agreed so this might be one where you're on your own.

Correction, chicken, I agreed with your statement. I said I didn’t agree with the report in the link.

The Freedom House was actually considered a conservative oranization (and had a heyday in the anti-commie period -- although it opposed McCarthyism) and had, IIRC, Dick Cheney on its board for a while.

I don’t assess the quality of the data based upon consideration of political affiliation. I base it upon their methodology and the results they arrive at. Their “score” is completely subjective and doesn’t measure real factors beyond assertions of political representation and access (in many categories). It’s not a qualitative report in my view, which is why I said I disagree with aspects of it.
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Knock it off, DAMMIT.

[BenelliSEI]

bloody hell this thread went down hill fast , i was just going to add how much i loved my 504 pickup .

I had a 504 too. Lovely car, first one I ever owned with a sun roof!

[dave500]

#$%* this #$%* man,just give me a #$%*IN CAMARO!

[Scott S]

 Forum Rule # 9. No Politics.

 Let's stay on topic so this thread doesn't get locked. Keep your personal attacks relegated to PM's. Nobody wants to hear that crap here.

[PeWe]

French cars were very prone to rust very quickly.

Citroen has designed fantastic cars with new functionality very early.
I had a friend that talked proudly about his fathers more luxuary Citroen CX 1977.
But the doors got huge holes before 5 years.


A friend had a Citroen GS 1980 something with leaking suspension oil that made breathing as a hazard inside car. It dropped on hot parts, smoking.

Pegeuot  often strange electrical gremlins as I have heard.
The old Renault truck seen in funny French movies and Pink Panther movie with Peter Sellers another historical car.
Citroen 2CV another.

Our european cars in the 50's, 60's and 70's very simple and boring compared with the US cars spaceship design with a nice V8.

Muscle cars another thing.
Camaros, Mustangs, Firebirds, Corvettes, Oldsmobile 442, Pontiac GTO, Challengers and Chargers etc etc most young guys favourites around here.

Too many EU cars of the 60's looked like the DDR Trabant

The newer Peugeots look really nice.
Their 508 SW PSE Sport Engineered (Hybride)
Would be nice to get free of charge!!

Do not forget Henry Ford and his successfull production model copied by all other car manufacturer,  made in da USA!!!

[Stev-o]

#$%* this #$%* man,just give me a #$%*IN CAMARO!

My good friend had a '72 Camaro when he turned 16 years old, it was his Mom's and she gifted it to him, remember spinnin off the road one rainy night, but luckily no damage.
[his family loved cars, two sisters drove MG's, another had a '72 Mustang and his Dad a Ford LTD].

Still love those second generation Camaros, especially with the front split CHROME bumpers!!

[PeWe]

A guy I knew had a 1973 Camaro 350, bronze early 80's.
A year later, black with much wider wheels, especially rear with widened fenders and a  modified 454 engine. Not only a roaring sport exhaust system.

[Bailgang]

I have a childhood friend who's dad had immigrated from Germany and from my friends dad's point of view, if it wasn't a Mercedes it wasn't worth keeping. I'm sure that opinion can be debated but my friend's dad did have some cool cars when we were growing up. My favorite was a 300 SL roadster, he also had a 69 600 that was the size of a small limo and lastly a 69 Unimog which he actually still has.

[BomberMann650]

Could probably argue some cost:benefit analysis was done. 
Would it be worth it to them to produce a whole vehicle for american market vs providing component parts to American automakers.
Jeep Cherokee XJ's had 5 speed manual transmissions sourced from Peugeot.

[jlh3rd]

Forum Rule # 9. No Politics.

 Let's stay on topic so this thread doesn't get locked. Keep your personal attacks relegated to PM's. Nobody wants to hear that crap here.

darn....too late to the fray...so no re-start from me, promise...........unless😬

but kudos to 737 , 750...🇺🇸

[scottly]

Forum Rule # 9. No Politics.

 Let's stay on topic so this thread doesn't get locked. Keep your personal attacks relegated to PM's. Nobody wants to hear that crap here.

darn....too late to the fray...so no re-start from me, promise...........unless😬

but kudos to 737 , 750...🇺🇸

So you have nothing of any value to add to the original conversation??

[jlh3rd]

Forum Rule # 9. No Politics.

 Let's stay on topic so this thread doesn't get locked. Keep your personal attacks relegated to PM's. Nobody wants to hear that crap here.

darn....too late to the fray...so no re-start from me, promise...........unless😬

but kudos to 737 , 750...🇺🇸

So you have nothing of any value to add to the original conversation??

no. If I had experience with those cars, I might've said something.
I commented about others who made similar responses, that added "no value" according to you.
They can and I can't? I didn't see you smart off to them initially....so why are you trying to start something with me?
.....but if you i insist, proceed.......or you can drop it now....

[Stev-o]

... a 69 Unimog which he actually still has.

Most guys wont know what that is, was it this style?

[Kelly E]

... a 69 Unimog which he actually still has.

Most guys wont know what that is, was it this style?

Does he have any of the farm implements they made for them?

[Bailgang]

... a 69 Unimog which he actually still has.

Most guys wont know what that is, was it this style?

Does he have any of the farm implements they made for them?

His doesn't have the crew cab or extended cab but you have the right idea. I have a pic of it after my friend restored it for his dad but I can't find it but I did find a pic of my friends dad with his 600 not too long before he finally sold it a few years back. Keep in mind we lived in a blue collar neighborhood at the time so imagine cruising around in that. As far as I know he never had any of the farm implements for the Unimog, he primarily used it as an everyday work truck while he was starting his tool and die business then it sat for years in his garage until he had my friend restore it for him. My friend's dad has been retired for a while and currently lives in U.P. Michigan but according to my friend, his dad still drives it. Here's a pic of the 600.

[Kelly E]

... a 69 Unimog which he actually still has.

Most guys wont know what that is, was it this style?

Does he have any of the farm implements they made for them?

His doesn't have the crew cab or extended cab but you have the right idea. I have a pic of it after my friend restored it for his dad but I can't find it but I did find a pic of my friends dad with his 600 not too long before he finally sold it a few years back. Keep in mind we lived in a blue collar neighborhood at the time so imagine cruising around in that. As far as I know he never had any of the farm implements for the Unimog, he primarily used it as an everyday work truck while he was starting his tool and die business then it sat for years in his garage until he had my friend restore it for him. My friend's dad has been retired for a while and currently lives in U.P. Michigan but according to my friend, his dad still drives it. Here's a pic of the 600.

Sounds like fun driving it around in the city. After high school and through most of my 20's a friend had a 41' Dodge 1/2 ton weapons carrier that we swapped in a 57' Chrysler 318ci V8. We made an adapter plate between the bell housing and the stock transmission. In May 1980 we took it down to the frame, went through everything and put it back together with a no cab(no doors, back wall or roof, just a 10" tall rim around the floor) and drove it over Steven's Pass to Leavenworth WA for the 4th of July weekend. We spent a decade playing in the woods and in the city with the truck. I don't have any pictures but my friend still has it.

[scottly]

In the early '70s I bought a '61 VW bus for $30. I then proceeded to fit a 413 Chrysler V8 into it. I also chopped the top, and over the years it's been through several iterations, including a home-brew analog EFI system.

[dave500]

wow!

[Stev-o]

In the early '70s I bought a '61 VW bus for $30. I then proceeded to fit a 413 Chrysler V8 into it. I also chopped the top, and over the years it's been through several iterations, including a home-brew analog EFI system.

Hey Scott...sounds like an odd motor swap!  Was the 413 just what was available for a good price? [I've never heard of a 413 and I have owned a couple Mopars over the years]

[ofreen]

In the early '70s I bought a '61 VW bus for $30. I then proceeded to fit a 413 Chrysler V8 into it.

So it was probably able to climb a hill at over 35mph and not enrage everyone behind you?

[ekpent]

Beach Boys song Steve about a race with a Stingray and 413. Bet you know the lyrics and can sing along !