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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2023, 05:13:20 PM »
413 went away in 1964?...thinking they just bigger bored it and added the infamous Hemi cylinder head and you got good ole 426!  I remember my buddy had a '62 Imperial Crown with a 413...ample torque for that 5500lb car
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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2023, 09:02:51 PM »
The 413 wedge was introduced in 1959 as a replacement for the 392 first generation Hemi, and was made through 1965, when it was replaced by the 440. There was also a 426 wedge in the early '60s, but they were fairly rare. Like Sean said, the differences in displacement were due to the bore; the stroke was the same at 3.750". (The 2nd gen 426 Hemi shared the same stroke and basic dimensions, but the block was modified for the extra bolts on the Hemi head, as well as added strength.)
There were two versions of the dual-quad ram intakes on the 413s as mentioned in the song. One had long runners that placed the carb feeding the right bank on the left of the left side valve cover, and vice-versa for the other carb, which favored torque, and a short runner version more like a conventional cross-ram that favored higher RPM horsepower.
The engine in the first two b&w pics was from a 1959 New Yorker, that was handed down to my mom. I was given the engine before I hauled the rest of the hulk to the junkyard. It was rated at 350 HP, at 4800 RPM, and had a dual-point distributor, which increases the dwell time. I smoked the bearings in that engine at the drag-strip; a later autopsy showed oil starvation due to an improperly fit windage tray (Hey, I didn't know I was supposed to modify it before installing it. >:()
The engine in the newer pics is a 1965 413, that came out of a Chrysler wagon. I traded a hacked-up-into-a baja bug for it. It also had a dual-point distributor, and with a tachometer drive provision! The pad on the block was stamped 413 HP, so it was rated at 360 or 365 HP, depending on the source.
And let's not forget about the little old lady from Pasadena, and her brand-new shiny red Super-stock Dodge. ;D

 
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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2023, 09:38:14 PM »
I just read something about that Beach Boys song a few days ago. Some Mopar dude was all butt hurt that a Vette with a 350 could no way beat a 413! He went into a long analysis of why and wants the Beach Boys to issue an apology for crap talking his beloved Mopar. I guess he doesn't know most of the Beach Boys are dead. Get a grip dude, it is a 60 something year old song by a bunch of kids that couldn't tell you the difference of a flywheel and a fly rod! Cracked me up, he really needed a whaaaaambulance to come and pick him up!
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« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2023, 10:14:38 AM »
Scottly I'm liking the plastic stackable chair seats. Did they survive the hard launches? 8)
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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2023, 10:17:53 AM »
Laundromat chairs, a cheap go to back in the day!
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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2023, 10:46:59 AM »
In the early '70s I bought a '61 VW bus for $30. I then proceeded to fit a 413 Chrysler V8 into it. ;D I also chopped the top, and over the years it's been through several iterations, including a home-brew analog EFI system.

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« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2023, 11:16:13 AM »
Beach Boys song Steve about a race with a Stingray and 413. Bet you know the lyrics and can sing along ! 

Hey Eric...actually not familiar with that one. 

But wish I had a 409!!


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« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2023, 11:24:51 AM »
In the early '70s I bought a '61 VW bus for $30. I then proceeded to fit a 413 Chrysler V8 into it. ;D I also chopped the top, and over the years it's been through several iterations, including a home-brew analog EFI system.

This is pretty damn great. Mopar or no car!

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« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2023, 02:22:04 PM »
In the early '70s I bought a '61 VW bus for $30. I then proceeded to fit a 413 Chrysler V8 into it. ;D I also chopped the top, and over the years it's been through several iterations, including a home-brew analog EFI system.

This is pretty damn great. Mopar or no car!

No car for you in MX right, Chicken?!!!

Man, I was gonna bring my '64 Valiant drop top down but the speed bumps and potholes would have meant a quick but painful death. I don't own a car here, just my 350F and soon 550F (and maybe another 350F? with a 400F engine?). I don't see old cars here like I did in AZ, but for some reason '63 and '64 Valiants are around -- they were the people's car after all, with the Dart. Maybe I'll get one. Although the ubiquitous bugs are cool too...

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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2023, 07:14:42 AM »
[...]
My family's car growing up in the '60s was a 1959 VW bus. My dad set it up as a camper for all seven of us to sleep in, and it hauled us from California to Colorado and back more than once, as well as a trip to the Seattle Worlds Fair.
Early air-cooled VWs are still quite popular here, even more than SOHC Hondas. ;)
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Scottly, if you had read on the origin of the VW van, meaning, the chasis it was based on, you would realise what an inferior design it was.
Have you never wondered what the engine was doing... in the rear?! Isn't it there, where one is supposed to load the cargo?! ;D Its handling was outright dangerous and many owners have lost their lives in it. Where I lived, the greengrocer and his eldest son were two of them. The only good thing, one can say: it was dead cheap and the only excuse for its poor quality was: WW2 had just ended.
Here two pictures of another dead cheap car, but... contrary to that VW van, its design was ge-ni-al.
In spite of being dead cheap, it nonetheless had independent suspension. Not that many American much bigger cars of that era came even close in this respect. Let me degress here a bit. It's about show vs. quality
I was still in highschool when the Mustang was launched, the car that you Americans loved so much. I remember the review I read in a German car magazine in those years.
"Well, well, what have we here" the German test team wondered.
They flipped the car over to have a closer look.
"What is this?! Spring leafs!? A solid rear axle?!"
"A sportscar?! Hah, not even close, it is not even a spor-ty car. What it is instead, is an ordinary Ford Falcon that... got lipstick on." There's your lipstick, Scottly. The Americans offcourse loved the showboat, but not the Europeans. In spite they were even assembled in The Netherlands for a wile, sales remained low. You know, Europeans mistrust show. They don't want showboats as politicians either. They prefer dull persons as long as they know their business.
Now back to that little French van with its wonderful independent suspension. Also France was ruined by the war, so a car had to be austere. Realise that for the 2CV, the car this van was based on, there was a six year waiting list and even then there was priority for doctors and vets...
Here's an example of that ingenuity. Citroën reasoned: no need for separate front indicators, the one towards the rear can serve as both rear, side and front indicator.  License plate light? Ha, another opportunity to save a bulb, by having just one light in the middle with glass in each side. Brake lights? Just one will do. And don't you love that rear bumper? Wow, there's even two of them! ;)
That 2CV was loved by millions and millions. My brother had the one in the pic in a later version to transport his saxophones. Later he had the 'convertible' ;). It was sooo simple, economical and genial in its design. Robust and reliable too. I have seen a couple succesfully crossing the Sahara desert in one, not that they could carry much more weight than their sleeping bags and toothbrushes in it, mind you, but they made it. They had the later version which had a 26HP 435cc boxer instead of the once original 9 HP 375cc one.
Check this wonderful British understatement advertisement from 12:45 - 13:05 in the The Car's the Star. Just see the fun we had.
You may say it's a crappy car, but, hey, it did what it had to do and above all: it did not pretend. What an intelligent design! That's ingenuity. That's the quality I love.
All those American sportscars shown here, never were succesful here. Not many people wanted to be seen in it. Such cars were associated with vulgar, pimps and men suffering from an inferiority complex. And nowadays it's the same with your trucks. With a few exceptions, people dislike trucks like the Dodge Ram. What a waste of raw materials!
Europeans favour Porsches. Less show, but good quality instead. The same for trucks. People here prefer Toyota Landcruisers.
These American sports cars were ok... as long as you kept going in a straight line, which seems to have always been the ideal of American driving. See that film by Monte Hellman, what was it called? Two-Lane Blacktop or something?
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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2023, 07:45:01 AM »
That's got to be one of the ugliest vehicles ever made. You always blather on about how much better everything european is. You are so full of crap. Is your life's mission to spend all of your time insulting America?

Now you're saying anyone driving an American car are "vulgar, pimps with an inferiority complex".

I don't know what your problem is but you need to keep it to yourself and seek some counselling about your superiority complex. >:(
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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2023, 08:22:02 AM »
Kelly, I wish I could find that BBC documentary again that was about US trying to sell cars in Japan. In spite there was no import tax then, only some 10.000 cars were imported. Interviewed was a lady that had bought one of them, a Jeep Cherokee. She had had nothing but repairs with that car. I admired her when she giggled in the camera about the list of repairs and her bad luck.
That same type of car has been in our garage for a couple of years. It was owned by an American couple that has lived here for three years to offer their 18 year old daughter a very lengthy treatment for her deadly skin cancer- the verdict in the US was she had only 20% of survival - which she could only get in our local princess Maxima hospital. In those years parts of their car broke down, that I never had thought possible to break down. Their second Cherokee was as bad as the first and I remember having seen even a worn drive shaft lying there. In the end they realised they didn't need a car at all and bought two bicycles. Oh, the daughter still lives and now travels the world.
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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2023, 08:42:11 AM »
I remember an Audi model, I believe it was the 5000 that had sudden acceleration issues causing hundreds of injuries and accidents. Late ‘70s to early ‘80s models were involved. So, by your analysis, ALL European cars are crap and anyone who buys one is a dolt. (Here’s the reference for you https://www.autosafety.org/audi-sudden-acceleration/)

Audi since recovered and makes millions of great cars globally today as a quality brand. Funny what time does to manufacturing experience.

Hey cal, remember VW and their "Clean Diesel"? 8)
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« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2023, 08:59:15 AM »
Is your life's mission to spend all of your time insulting America?

I think delta is just having a little fun.  His use of the 2CV as an example is good evidence of that.  It was funny watching them go around curves with the body roll looking like they'd flop over at any time.  And we know racing at 30 mph isn't representative of European racing.  So well done, delta.

Different needs for different markets. Not better, not worse. Just different.


My european experience is limited to 2 1/2 weeks spent in Germany last spring.  But from what my daughter (who has traveled in many of the surrounding countries) tells me, the road environment in Germany is similar everywhere.  What I saw were small roads barely a lane and a half wide by US standards going through towns with the same streets they had in the Middle Ages.  Houses and buildings are right up against the road.  People literally step off their steps onto the road.  In between those towns are fields connected by narrow winding 2 lane.  The big cities weren't a lot different.  Streets were laid out in a haphazard manner, narrow as well.  The autobahns were the only roads that resembled a typical US highway, but even they had some features that had me scratching my head.  My daughter drives a Volvo (forget which model, but basically a small station wagon) that at times seems to big for the roads.  So, a different environment for sure.

...a Jeep Cherokee. She had had nothing but repairs with that car. I admired her when she giggled in the camera about the list of repairs and her bad luck.

Yep, Jeeps are problematic, have been for decades.  Their quality control sucks.  I wouldn't have one.  (Well, except for my '73 CJ5.  Reliability on that is nothing to brag about either) However, I know lots of people who bought BMWs, Mercedes, VWs, Volvos, Porsches, and other european makes.  They had plenty of nightmare stories about weird issues, expensive fixes and waiting for seemingly nonexistent parts.  The reality is that cars have become too complex.  Too many weak links in their design and construction.  I noticed independent suspensions held up as an ideal.  They are better for handling than a solid axle for sure, but they are fragile in comparison over the long haul.  My old first gen Toyota 4x4 pickup is an example of that.  The suspension on that is bombproof, the later Toyota pickups not so much.
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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2023, 09:31:27 AM »
Before I found my CB750 K6  January 1979 I had ideas about a Mustang. Fastback with 351 engine late 60's-early 70's.
I read in the magazines with US muscle cars where shops had several for sale.

No one compared US muscle cars with european cars.
US muscle cars in its own league, dream cars for summer, use like a motorcycle.

I remember discussions which car that we liked without complaining on the other cars.
Mustang with V8 (straight 6 sedan, hell no!!)
Camaro earlier or later. Z28 something hotter like Challenger or Charger and which year they looked better.
Firebird also interesting but not as interesting as the other.

I knew one guy that had a Challenger 440 sixpack in the  early 80's, screaming green. I met him a few years ago still owning it. I think he had used it on the strip.

I can still not find any European car that is possible to compare with US muscle cars, even today with the later models.

I heard a hot engine revving at my usual gas station last year. Thought it was a modified US muscle car.
I saw an Audi S8..
Understood later it must have been an Audi S8 5.2 V10 FSI quattro.

I rode back home and saw the car in the mirrors before it passed me. I followed it in heavy side wind.
He did not floor it, I could follow on my K6, speedo showed 180-200kmh.
Other cars and 2-1 road so important to give when 2 lanes and pass the slower driving half speed ;)

Nice car that must have good handling and 4WD with a hot engine.

Still not as a US muscle car.
Different cars.

Modern Mustangs, Challenger SRT Hellcat and Charger still dream cars !
600-1000hp!!!

Newer Corvette or an Audi R8? Still different cars.
Or a Porsche GT3???

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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2023, 07:24:10 PM »
[...]
My family's car growing up in the '60s was a 1959 VW bus. My dad set it up as a camper for all seven of us to sleep in, and it hauled us from California to Colorado and back more than once, as well as a trip to the Seattle Worlds Fair.
Early air-cooled VWs are still quite popular here, even more than SOHC Hondas. ;)
[...]
Scottly, if you had read on the origin of the VW van, meaning, the chasis it was based on, you would realise what an inferior design it was.
Have you never wondered what the engine was doing... in the rear?! Isn't it there, where one is supposed to load the cargo?! ;D
The "design" proposed by the Dutchman was inspired by a utility vehicle cobbled together from a Beetle chassis, to haul parts around the VW factory after the war. He was not an engineer, or even an employee of Volkswagen. The bus that was actually sold had a ladder type frame, and had a payload of up to 2200 pounds, depending on the model. The VIN tag on my '61 shows a capacity of 2090 pounds. The weight is carried in the center of the vehicle, where it belongs.  ;)

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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2023, 07:50:31 PM »
Scottly I'm liking the plastic stackable chair seats. Did they survive the hard launches? 8)
No, they barely survived the maiden voyage around the block. :o
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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2023, 09:07:24 PM »
Scottly I'm liking the plastic stackable chair seats. Did they survive the hard launches? 8)
No, they barely survived the maiden voyage around the block. :o

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« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2023, 04:43:21 AM »
I never mean to bash countries. I can make fun of attitudes though, especially if people show no sense of humour. When an old pal from California came to visit me, I told him I'd collect him at the airport in a limo. I showed up in my neighbour's Smart*. To make good for it, I promised him that the next day I'd rent a convertible deluxe and I showed up in the 'Rasta' 2CV in the pic.
Although personally I don't like the appearance of Porsches - they all look like a flattened beetle to me - I must admit technically seen, they're about the best sportscars in the consumer market. Much to my surprise, recently in a periodically published test overview about which cars live longest and give the least problems - a list where one would expect only Toyota's, Honda's and the like - Porsche came second. Doesn't help me, I still find them ugly.
Years ago a friend of mine decided he wanted a car, built in the same year he was born and found an abandoned Skoda (1952) somewhere in Poland. What may look like rust in the pic, has been treated with something special and the car just keeps on running.
About roads. On holidays I always prefer countryroads over highways. In countries like France, Germany, Switzerland etc, you can expect a perfect turmac and they are a joy to tour. In the US I made the mistake to maintain my habit choosing minor roads. Alas..., we were going from pothole to pothole and repairs were sooo primitive it's a bloody shame for a country that is supposed to be so wealthy. 
* The irony of that Smart. I am 6'4 and the first I always do when I enter a car, is grab for the handle to bring the seat in the farthest position it will go. The only time I found myself at a too far distance from the wheel was - believe it or not - in that Smart.
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« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2023, 06:18:33 AM »
When I bought my now old Audi I saw other cars in the shop like 1 or 2 Ferrari, Porche etc.
I talked with the shop owner when I was drooling over the Ferrari engine inside rear window.
What a car!

The owner said he has newer Porsche as his favourite. A car that can be used for  commuting, to the nearby shop etc as a normal car. Reliable quality.

Ferrari a different animal.
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« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2023, 07:28:41 AM »
[...] My family's car growing up in the '60s was a 1959 VW bus. [...]
Scottly, I don't know how extended your family is now, but here's an option to consider...
It's for sale now in the UK. Engine has been replaced by a 4 cyl. Audi S3 turbo engine.
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Re: Question for Deltarider
« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2023, 07:37:05 AM »
"I never mean to bash countries."....quote DR.
"About roads. On holidays I always prefer countryroads over highways. In countries like France, Germany, Switzerland etc, you can expect a perfect turmac and they are a joy to tour. In the US I made the mistake to maintain my habit choosing minor roads. Alas..., we were going from pothole to pothole and repairs were sooo primitive it's a bloody shame for a country that is supposed to be so wealthy. "...quote DR.




ok...um...what is that?...so, glossing over the obvious hypocrisy......

The U.S. has about 3.6 million sq miles of land. ( not counting inland lakes and the great lakes.)
We have a population of  250+ million people. With a massive rolling wheel based economy stretching from harbors and manufacturing to individual homes. It is massive.
    France, on the other hand, has a population of about 62+ million with a sq miles of a paltry 200+ thousand.
Do we need to delve into the other miniature countries you mentioned?

 This being said. Does it have to be further explained to you the vast difference in maintenance and upkeep?
However, THAT being said, from the time I got my first bike in 1972 till my last riding bike in '09, I've traveled all over my country's back roads and experienced many little towns and do not ever recall potholes after potholes .
There are  a minutiae of sparse sections where that may be encountered, but by far the back roads of the U.S. are a motorcyling AND driving paradise..........bar none!...
 
And furthermore, especially if you ride a harley, maintenance help is a phone call away or a dealership is close by.
And practically every little town in the U.S. has its individual business that can lend help to a motorcyclists' dilemma.
What are you trying to say, that out in the middle of a nevada desert there's not a big, shiny vintage honda dealership?........well, guilty as charged...

My limited exposure to roads in paris, coast of normandy, rome, venice showed me narrow, sparsely marked, and ...hmm... potholes......
I find our states' highways ( not interstates which are vastly superior in services and convenience ) and local 2 lane highways equal if not better than some of what I saw of the main highways overseas....
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« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2023, 11:43:48 AM »
jih3rd, you clearly had more luck than we had.
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« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2023, 01:26:32 PM »
In America you can have this if you really want to and have the money to build it...bet you wouldn't in Europe

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« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2023, 05:37:19 PM »
In America you can have this if you really want to and have the money to build it...bet you wouldn't in Europe

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