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Offline grumpy56

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Side Cover Painting
« on: November 06, 2023, 09:03:41 AM »
I plan to rattle can my side covers gloss black (1976 CB400F). I have a pair of flat black aftermarket side covers that came with the bike and purchased the decals. What is the best process (paint color, clear coat, application of decals)? Thank you.

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Re: Side Cover Painting
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2023, 09:44:22 AM »
Painting is a pretty deep topic, so I'll just mention a couple important points. Because you mentioned spray paint, I'm going to assume that, for whatever reason, using a traditional spray gun with a compressor isn't an option. But just so it's clear, that would be "the" best option.

- Used aftermarket part? Make sure there are no little cracks or bumps. Do any "heavy duty" work like sanding before hand. If you do any dry sanding, make sure there's no dust leftover. If wet sanding, make sure it's dry.

- Make sure the part is 100% clean, back and front. Any grease or dirt will prevent the paint from sticking -- including natural oils from your fingers. No matter what paint you use the piece must be absolutely clean. When you paint, get yourself a big cardboard box to paint on, and paint in an area far from anything that you don't want painted. (Over-spray and wind are not your friends)

- Use rubber gloves not just to keep your hands clean, but to keep your natural oils off the piece.

- Unless you're painting in the summer, or in a heated shop, bring the piece and the paint into the house for a few hours to bring both up to room temp. Cold spray paint sucks.

- Spray jet size matters. Spray paint from the store gives you a tiny jet of paint. This causes people to hold the can too close, laying the paint down in a smaller area, causing drips, etc. In other words, it will look like #$%*. Also, "bomb can" nozzles (the thing you push down) get clogged easily. Sometimes they spatter the paint too. Those little plastic things aren't really made for precision work. Maybe do a bit of research on which spray paint people like better.

- Spray paint doesn't hold up against any of our motorcycle chemicals either. Spill a bit of brake fluid or carb-cleaner and it's toast. Flat black will show every speck of road oil or bug guts. Not that you shouldn't do it, just letting you know.

- Clear coat? If it's going to be flat black, you probably aren't going to do this.

- I suggest using a single-stage paint such as PPG, not traditional "bomb can" spray paint, like Krylon, etc.
You can now buy "real" paint in a can. It's more expensive, but the nozzle delivers a bigger spray jet, they don't clog as much, and most importantly, the paint has hardener so the painted surface will be more durable. Basically, when you're about to paint, you "pop" a little button on the bottom of the can, releasing an emulsifier. You shake up the can to mix it up real well and then paint. NOTE that this can is good for 1 use, because of the hardener. This type of paint is sold at auto-paint shops, such as "Wesco" (not hardware stores or auto-parts shops).

FWIW, I used "PPG" brand, single-stage paint and it's lasted 10 years against grim, washing, waxing, etc. (Of course you won't be waxing flat-black. ;P )
« Last Edit: November 06, 2023, 09:57:24 AM by Kaze »

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Re: Side Cover Painting
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2023, 10:05:00 AM »
Thanks Kaze. I will be painting them gloss black though as they are currently a flat black (appears to be primer). The original 1976 400 side covers were gloss black here in the USA.

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Re: Side Cover Painting
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2023, 11:17:54 AM »
I misunderstood, sorry. Also, keep in mind that these are just my opinions, but based on my work at a motorcycle paint shop with a picky boss. I was the prep guy. ...sandpaper in my dreams...

Depending upon whether your parts are painted or bare plastic, your prep work will change. If it's bare plastic, cleaning and a little scuff with some fine scotch-brite might be enough. If it has paint on it, then you'll want to wet-sand everything with some 600 grit wetsand paper.

When scuffing, don't sand or scuff too hard in one place, and not in 1 direction. Keep a firm hand, but don't create grooves or anything that will show through your paint. We used to say, "Paint reveals all your dirty little lies". In other words, anything you don't deal with with the scuff or primer, will show when it's painted. Thin coats of paint will show everything you did -- which is one of the facts of bomb-can paint, coats are thin.

Obviously prep-work is critical, but the actual work of covering is done by the primer. Unless you're dealing with a single-stage paint, paint only provides the color, and the clear coat is the protection, the sheen and adds the visual depth. Primer is pretty darn critical.

Bomb-can primer is what I used with my single-stage paint from Wesco.
Just keep in mind that bomb-can primer won't cover as thick as primer from a shop. Just the nature of the spray size, coverage, and product. This just means that your prep work has to be impeccable.

Paint quality is like everything else on the bike. How is it going to affect your enjoyment in the near future?

Not to go on and on... I was just talking with another guy here about our after-market rubber parts. I bought fork gators, tank mount, rubber airbox boots and my battery strap all from VintageCB750.com. I've put very few actual road miles on the bike since I added these after market parts, but the air box boots are ripping and the tank rubber is trashed. Fork gators are swollen. All my parts were cheapER than OEM, but I'm going to have to replace them again.

Paint is just like that. If you want the stuff to be durable for a long time, then you will have to spend more time on prep and more money on paint. Good luck!
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Re: Side Cover Painting
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2023, 11:25:30 AM »
I called "Wesco" (I'm in Washington State) and apparently, they have gloss black, single-stage paint in the can (with the catalyzer) for roughly $30 a can.

It costs more if you have to order it. Just the can itself is about $20, and THEN you have to add the cost of a pint of paint. Reds and blues are more, so you could be talking about $70-80 PER CAN.

Black is apparently a good choice.

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Re: Side Cover Painting
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2023, 11:56:18 AM »
Sounds good Kaze.
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Re: Side Cover Painting
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2023, 04:58:12 PM »
Repaintsupply.com
They have a good paint spray bomb with a decent nozzle and can give you any color you want in the can. They carry the SprayMax 2K clear as well which can be used on any cured paint you have to give you a urethane clear cost impervious to fuel spills, brake cleaner, and carb cleaner or brake cleaner provided you clean these things off in a reasonable amount of time.
The paint is good quality. Just use compatible primers with your top coat paint so you don't run into issues. The fan pattern of the spray max cans and their cans they load can be adjusted to give you a vertical fan or horizontal fan pattern.

Best to read up or watch some YouTube videos of how to get best results with spray can finishes as it takes some practice to get your technique down if you haven't already developed it.

SprayMax 2k clear should be possible to clear (multiple coats) two side overs no problem from one can.
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Re: Side Cover Painting
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2023, 06:04:38 PM »
Thank you!