Topic: Honda Engine Paint

[Tracksnblades1]

Just wondering out loud…whether Honda’s Marine offering is anywhere close…

I don’t have a Honda outboard to compare….

Gently Silver Metallic describes it pretty well…

[jlh3rd]

Is that for engines?  heat and gas proof?
Wonder if it matches vintage bike silver.

[Tracksnblades1]

It’s for Honda’s outboard engines. Honda Marine..

That’s the right questions. Just wondering if anyone had ever compared the color to the motorcycle engines…

[Flyin900]

I have used the Dupli Color engine enamel in the Aluminum colour it is CDE1615 in Canada and DE1615 in the US. It is the closest match to the original Honda paint I have found. If your doing the entire engine then no one will discern any difference from the stock colour. I have blended original painted engines with some parts painted in the 1615 aluminum and it is hard to tell the difference without really critical judgement.

When cured it is oil, gas resistant and good for 500F. If you hit that temp on a air cooled engine, you will have more problems than paint issues.

I have painted probably 20+ engines over the past 15 years with no issues. Again it's all in the prep work as any paint job is to the end result.

Here is a new engine primer product also from Duplicolor that has been around for about a year and I have used it a couple of times so far.

[BenelliSEI]

+1 to Duplicolor. I’ve also used it a lot and it is an excellent product. They also make a “Filler Primer” which I used some years ago on a very corroded motor. Smothed it over beautifully and held up 100%.

[HondaMan]

I use the Duplicolor too, but in their color "Cast Coat Aluminum". It's a dead ringer for the OEM paint color..

[grcamna2]

I like the CDE1615 'Flyin900', and it looks like it has fine metallic in it too ! 

[grcamna2]

I use the Duplicolor too, but in their color "Cast Coat Aluminum". It's a dead ringer for the OEM paint color..

What Duplicolor # is it ?

[Tracksnblades1]

I like the CDE1615 and it looks like it has fine metallic in it too ! 

That’s what’s important to me.  The very fine metallic….

Makes the Honda connoisseur wonder whether it’s live or Memorex…..🤫

[grcamna2]

I like the CDE1615 and it looks like it has fine metallic in it too ! 

That’s what’s important to me.  The very fine metallic….

Makes the Honda connoisseur wonder whether it’s live or Memorex…..🤫

Here in the USA,I've looked for that CDE1615 but every time I think I found it,I've only ever gotten the non-metallic #DE1615.. 

[newday777]

I use the Duplicolor too, but in their color "Cast Coat Aluminum". It's a dead ringer for the OEM paint color..

What Duplicolor # is it ?

DE1650

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c/engine-enamel-with-ceramic/paint---body/spray-paints/f5504e6fe716/dupli-color-12-ounce-cast-coat-aluminum-engine-enamel/dplg/de1650

[Flyin900]

Here in the USA,I've looked for that CDE1615 but every time I think I found it,I've only ever gotten the non-metallic #DE1615.. 
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The US part number doesn’t use the C as I noted in the original post you drop the C from the part number. Likely for Canada they add the C for CDE1615 and the US no C as in DE1615.

I don’t see any metal flake in the colour just a bright sliver colour to my old eyes.

I will check out Hondaman’s report on the cast aluminum also yet I found the DE1615 the closest when doing a “blow in”. Blending old original Honda motor paint and painting only small parts or sections on the motor.

[grcamna2]

Duplicolor #DE1615 is a great match for Honda engine paint and it is definitely 'Non-Metallic' 
As I mentioned in another post above:I can't get that metallic version of it anymore.
I like the metallic version of it aLot.

[ADW]

When I restored my 1979 CBX1000, I painted the VHT SP995 Cast Aluminum on the tach drive cover, and painted the cam cover with DE1650 Cast Coat Aluminum to get a "side-by-side" view of what each color looked like. Here's a photo of the tach drive cover on the cam cover.

I left the tach drive alone for just such an occasion as this, when someone would want to see the difference between the two side-by-side. I'm SUPER-glad I didn't use the VHT SP995 Cast Aluminum (tach drive)...the flake in it looks really "pimped out". Can't imagine how awful the whole engine would look with that color! The DE1650 is the one for sure. I painted the whole engine with it.

[jlh3rd]

There's a lady who's deceased husband restored a cb 400F and she brings it to Barber. The engine is painted with a flake type silver which now appears to be the vht sp995.
Pimp is a good description.

[Ujeni]

I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

Hope this helps folks out there.

[Tracksnblades1]

I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

Hope this helps folks out there.

Sounds like ImRon…

Does your POR15 have the micro metallic in it..?

[grcamna2]

I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

Hope this helps folks out there.

The link doesn't work for me.

[Tracksnblades1]

I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

Hope this helps folks out there.

The link doesn't work for me.

https://por15.com/collections/topcoat-paint

[BenelliSEI]

I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

Hope this helps folks out there.

Sam….. Thanks for this info. Discovered a Canadian Distributor which is even better. I’ll be using this on the S/C project for sure! Happy New Year!

[Rayzerman]

Newbie to restoring a CB350F..... cannot tell if the engine is painted, looks like unpainted.... engine side covers/cases are polished. I'd like to stay as close to original as I can.  Thanks in advance.

[grcamna2]

Do they sell the POR15 engine enamel in a rattle can also ?

[HondaMan]

Newbie to restoring a CB350F..... cannot tell if the engine is painted, looks like unpainted.... engine side covers/cases are polished. I'd like to stay as close to original as I can.  Thanks in advance.

The color Honda used on the engines looks like their aluminum castings. When the engines are not painted you'll see all sorts of marks, streak, lines, etc. of colors in the aluminum itself in most of the engines. The best of them (without paint) were the K7/8 cases, which seemed to have really good molds. The 550F were also quite good. The 350F engines I have rebuilt all got new paint because their general surface appearance had blemishes, especially the cases.

[Ozzybud]

I use Duplicolor DE1615 Aluminum. It has a fine metallic just like original and Then i topcoat with urethane Catylized Clear.

Rattle cans never fully "cure" as they harden via Evaporation not chemical reaction. Gas will dissolve it 10 years down the road.

The Honda Cloud Silver is The perfect match but it is getting hard to find. The dupli color is a very close match and available everywhere.

[newday777]

Newbie to restoring a CB350F..... cannot tell if the engine is painted, looks like unpainted.... engine side covers/cases are polished. I'd like to stay as close to original as I can.  Thanks in advance.

Welcome aboard the forum
Yes Honda painted the cases.
Most of us use the Duplicolor EDE1615
Ceramic Aluminum Engine paint.
Very close match to original.

[RAFster122s]

Do they sell the POR15 engine enamel in a rattle can also ?

Not the last time I looked.
 It is super thick if not thinned, but is tough lovely stuff that if cured is super resistant to abrasions and discoloration. I did an automotive engine  and other than scuffing the oil pan while installing because it was still a bit soft, I cleaned and painted the motor in a weekend in the cold of northeast Ohio during a winter weekend. I didn't have time to do extend that window for more curing time. Used a kerosene torpedo heater to help it cure for about 6-8 hours and it sat for Maybe 24 hours before being dropped in the car... We caught the oil pan on the cross member installing it as the manual transmission didn't want to rotate as we installed. The scrapes in the paint of the pan never spread and while the bare steel developed a light rust where it was scratched or scarred that rust did not spread underneath the paint. Any later oil leaks or spills could be washed off easily with soap and scrub brush without affecting the gloss and it stayed glossy.
Incredible paint...
It was not cheap stuff when I did it in the 90s and stripping the engine of oils prepping for paint was the hardest part. But the paint clung despite the block not being what I considered to be clean enough.  I brushed it on and it closed out and had no evidence of brush marks.

[Nurse Julie]

Here in UK we use Simoniz SIMVHT31D
The colour match is spot on and it's very hard wearing. We've painted hundreds of CB SOHC/4 engines with it (as have many forum members here in UK) with no issues reported.

[M 750K6]

Julie, I found the Simoniz lifted if fuel leaked onto it. When I repainted, I used Simoniz, then a light coat of clear engine lacquer. I'm only 1,000 miles in, but it seems to be working.

[Nurse Julie]

Julie, I found the Simoniz lifted if fuel leaked onto it. When I repainted, I used Simoniz, then a light coat of clear engine lacquer. I'm only 1,000 miles in, but it seems to be working.

Hi Mark.
Never had that problem ourselves on our own bikes
but, if I dribble a bit of fuel on the cases accidentally, I just wipe it off quickly and it's OK. I have heard on Facebook of owners moaning that their carbs have been leaking for 6 weeks and the paint is coming off, well I'm not surprised it's coming off in the slightest to be honest, fix the bloody leak 🤣🤣🤣.

[CB750R]

For all the Duplicolor users, or experts my base coat stuck nicely to the aluminum but my colour chips super easy, I followed the can, and Duplicolors instructions to the best of my abilities. I even used a heat lamp to cure… I can’t be the only one to find Duplicolor brittle. Also find it waaay less resistant to gas or brake clean. I powder coated most of the side covers but the cases I painted. 

[Ozzybud]

For all the Duplicolor users, or experts my base coat stuck nicely to the aluminum but my colour chips super easy, I followed the can, and Duplicolors instructions to the best of my abilities. I even used a heat lamp to cure… I can’t be the only one to find Duplicolor brittle. Also find it waaay less resistant to gas or brake clean. I powder coated most of the side covers but the cases I painted.

Once again. Rattle cans NEVER cure. Even with a great amount of heat and time. You need to use a catalyzed paint or 2 part Epoxy if you want it to be fuel/solvent resistant. Put a good 2k clear over the duplicolor and fuel will not affect it.

Likely Hondas paint was a type of epoxy because most of it looks great 50+ years later

[Stev-o]

Julie, I found the Simoniz lifted if fuel leaked onto it. When I repainted, I used Simoniz, then a light coat of clear engine lacquer. I'm only 1,000 miles in, but it seems to be working.

fix the bloody leak

Ha!   Tell 'em Julie!!!

[Nurse Julie]

Julie, I found the Simoniz lifted if fuel leaked onto it. When I repainted, I used Simoniz, then a light coat of clear engine lacquer. I'm only 1,000 miles in, but it seems to be working.

fix the bloody leak

Ha!   Tell 'em Julie!!!

😂😂😂😂😂