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Honda Engine Paint
« on: December 20, 2023, 07:26:18 AM »
Just wondering out loud…whether Honda’s Marine offering is anywhere close…

I don’t have a Honda outboard to compare….

Gently Silver Metallic describes it pretty well…
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2023, 09:32:20 AM »
Is that for engines?  heat and gas proof?
Wonder if it matches vintage bike silver.

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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2023, 11:05:20 AM »
It’s for Honda’s outboard engines. Honda Marine..

That’s the right questions. Just wondering if anyone had ever compared the color to the motorcycle engines…
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2023, 12:18:25 PM »
I have used the Dupli Color engine enamel in the Aluminum colour it is CDE1615 in Canada and DE1615 in the US. It is the closest match to the original Honda paint I have found. If your doing the entire engine then no one will discern any difference from the stock colour. I have blended original painted engines with some parts painted in the 1615 aluminum and it is hard to tell the difference without really critical judgement.

When cured it is oil, gas resistant and good for 500F. If you hit that temp on a air cooled engine, you will have more problems than paint issues.

I have painted probably 20+ engines over the past 15 years with no issues. Again it's all in the prep work as any paint job is to the end result.

Here is a new engine primer product also from Duplicolor that has been around for about a year and I have used it a couple of times so far.
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2023, 05:33:58 PM »
+1 to Duplicolor. I’ve also used it a lot and it is an excellent product. They also make a “Filler Primer” which I used some years ago on a very corroded motor. Smothed it over beautifully and held up 100%.

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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2023, 06:30:22 PM »
I use the Duplicolor too, but in their color "Cast Coat Aluminum". It's a dead ringer for the OEM paint color..
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2023, 06:33:23 PM »
I like the CDE1615 'Flyin900', and it looks like it has fine metallic in it too !  8)
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2023, 06:34:17 PM »
I use the Duplicolor too, but in their color "Cast Coat Aluminum". It's a dead ringer for the OEM paint color..

What Duplicolor # is it ?
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2023, 07:35:31 PM »
I like the CDE1615 and it looks like it has fine metallic in it too !  8)

That’s what’s important to me.  The very fine metallic….

Makes the Honda connoisseur wonder whether it’s live or Memorex…..🤫
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2023, 07:55:35 PM »
I like the CDE1615 and it looks like it has fine metallic in it too !  8)

That’s what’s important to me.  The very fine metallic….

Makes the Honda connoisseur wonder whether it’s live or Memorex…..🤫

Here in the USA,I've looked for that CDE1615 but every time I think I found it,I've only ever gotten the non-metallic #DE1615..  ::)
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2023, 04:41:29 AM »

Here in the USA,I've looked for that CDE1615 but every time I think I found it,I've only ever gotten the non-metallic #DE1615..  ::)
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The US part number doesn’t use the C as I noted in the original post you drop the C from the part number. Likely for Canada they add the C for CDE1615 and the US no C as in DE1615.

I don’t see any metal flake in the colour just a bright sliver colour to my old eyes. :)

I will check out Hondaman’s report on the cast aluminum also yet I found the DE1615 the closest when doing a “blow in”. Blending old original Honda motor paint and painting only small parts or sections on the motor.
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2023, 11:57:05 AM »
Duplicolor #DE1615 is a great match for Honda engine paint and it is definitely 'Non-Metallic'  :)
As I mentioned in another post above:I can't get that metallic version of it anymore.
I like the metallic version of it aLot.
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2023, 08:48:05 AM »
When I restored my 1979 CBX1000, I painted the VHT SP995 Cast Aluminum on the tach drive cover, and painted the cam cover with DE1650 Cast Coat Aluminum to get a "side-by-side" view of what each color looked like. Here's a photo of the tach drive cover on the cam cover.

I left the tach drive alone for just such an occasion as this, when someone would want to see the difference between the two side-by-side. I'm SUPER-glad I didn't use the VHT SP995 Cast Aluminum (tach drive)...the flake in it looks really "pimped out". Can't imagine how awful the whole engine would look with that color! The DE1650 is the one for sure. I painted the whole engine with it.
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2023, 04:25:02 AM »
There's a lady who's deceased husband restored a cb 400F and she brings it to Barber. The engine is painted with a flake type silver which now appears to be the vht sp995.
Pimp is a good description.

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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2023, 10:09:00 AM »
I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2023, 05:43:02 PM »
I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

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Sounds like ImRon…

Does your POR15 have the micro metallic in it..?
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2023, 06:03:51 PM »
I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

Hope this helps folks out there.

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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2023, 07:10:45 PM »
I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

Hope this helps folks out there.

The link doesn't work for me.

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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2023, 06:29:33 AM »
I used Duplicolor engine enamel for many of my restorations for years. Good stuff. Then I came upon POR15 engine enamel. A far superior product. I painted two oil pans to compare. I let them cure exactly to manufacturer specs. I could easily "key" the duplicolor paint. The POR15 engine enamel was undamaged after many attempts. It is an EXACT match for Honda's engine color (aluminum). Plus, you can spray it with a gun to get perfect coverage. I use it on all my engines now. I'm a convert.

POR15 Engine Enamel

Hope this helps folks out there.

Sam….. Thanks for this info. Discovered a Canadian Distributor which is even better. I’ll be using this on the S/C project for sure! Happy New Year!
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2024, 01:00:42 PM »
Newbie to restoring a CB350F..... cannot tell if the engine is painted, looks like unpainted.... engine side covers/cases are polished. I'd like to stay as close to original as I can.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2024, 03:23:06 PM »
Do they sell the POR15 engine enamel in a rattle can also ?
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2024, 06:01:55 PM »
Newbie to restoring a CB350F..... cannot tell if the engine is painted, looks like unpainted.... engine side covers/cases are polished. I'd like to stay as close to original as I can.  Thanks in advance.

The color Honda used on the engines looks like their aluminum castings. When the engines are not painted you'll see all sorts of marks, streak, lines, etc. of colors in the aluminum itself in most of the engines. The best of them (without paint) were the K7/8 cases, which seemed to have really good molds. The 550F were also quite good. The 350F engines I have rebuilt all got new paint because their general surface appearance had blemishes, especially the cases.
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2024, 06:53:59 PM »
I use Duplicolor DE1615 Aluminum. It has a fine metallic just like original and Then i topcoat with urethane Catylized Clear.

Rattle cans never fully "cure" as they harden via Evaporation not chemical reaction. Gas will dissolve it 10 years down the road.

The Honda Cloud Silver is The perfect match but it is getting hard to find. The dupli color is a very close match and available everywhere.
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Re: Honda Engine Paint
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2024, 07:03:56 PM »
Newbie to restoring a CB350F..... cannot tell if the engine is painted, looks like unpainted.... engine side covers/cases are polished. I'd like to stay as close to original as I can.  Thanks in advance.
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Yes Honda painted the cases.
Most of us use the Duplicolor EDE1615
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Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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