Topic: Where does oil originate from and what is it ??????

[toycollector10]

When I was in school in the 70's it was "oil is dinosaurs and forests that have sort of sludged down into hydrocarbons, whatever the hell they are". I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now.

So what is the latest theory?  Does this stuff well up from the centre of the earth, sort of?   Is it finite?   Is it being created as the magma swirls and heaves?

I just don't seem to feel so guilty about burning it these days to keep my motor-sickle going and my house warm. Maybe ignorance is bliss.

Signed, Mr Not So Damn Green Any More

[Rocking-M]

Cynical there are ya? 

I don't feel guilty about burning it nor cutting trees.
I just don't like having to pay a lot for it.

As to cutting trees, the green folks have taken a bit more common sense
approach to my line of work. In fact, they have finally realized it's a renewable
resource. Imagine that.

Really though, I don't care if oil was back to 50 cents a gallon,
I'd be going the same route to save money, ie. fuel efficient vehicles.
I've to much Scot in me to not be tight

As to wind energy, I'd like to one day set up a turbine just
so I can be more self-sufficient and tell the folks who run the grid to stuff it.
Plus, some states require the grid masters to buy power back produced
by those who are willing to put in a wind turbine. However, the start up
cost has got to drop before I can even consider it.

[kslrr]

Toycollector, there is the latest theory that oil is renewable.  Firms are finding oil deposits where none was found before.

[Bob Wessner]

It's a bit dated and I'm no geologist, just a beleguered consumer. It's an interesting read though. I'm sure there must be something more recent.

http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/wsj4.htm

[mlinder]

Wind Farms kill thousands of birds...
How's that for green energy? 

[kslrr]

Very interesting article Bob.  Now, if every one on Earth would just switch to motorcycles, then we would be set for 1000's of years!

[nickjtc]

Finite or infinite reserves....shouldn't we be looking anyway for alternatives....?

[Goldbug]

49cc scooters are the answer. Save money on insurance too. Only problem is I've yet to see one that was manly enough for me.

[mlinder]

Finite or infinite reserves....shouldn't we be looking anyway for alternatives....?

Yes.

http://www.savefuel.ca/newtest/optin/?gclid=CLa-mYTP-YoCFQvShgodwVSvkw
http://www.energyoptions.com/tech/browns.html
http://amasci.com/weird/bgf1.html
http://www.watertorch.com/bghistory/hisbg1.html

Interesting enough that the US military has commissioned a number of Hummers to be outfited with engines that will run using this technology.
Will it fly? I dunno. Looks interesting though.

[DammitDan]

49cc scooters are the answer. Save money on insurance too. Only problem is I've yet to see one that was manly enough for me.

How about this one?

[tsp37]

Peter Fonda, eat your heart out.

[el kabong]

49cc scooters are the answer. Save money on insurance too. Only problem is I've yet to see one that was manly enough for me.

the 50 cc honda rukus is reasonably masculine.  even comes in combat camoflague:

http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Ruckus&ModelYear=2007&ModelId=NPS507



in hindsight, i guess the trillions $$$ spent protecting Western access to Mid East oil would have been better spent just developing alternative energy sources.  i'm sure we'd be there by now.  like brazil with their sugar based ethanol.

[pyro139]

the Kymco super9 is a very manly 50cc and alot faster than average 50cc i ride one when im not on my cb650c(since always working on my 650 never fully satisfied.

[74cb750]

Wind Farms kill thousands of birds...
How's that for green energy?  Tongue...

I hate birds! Espcially when they hit me at 70mph. Hurts.

If we had less birds I would have had to replace one less face shield.
Screwed up logic there, non?

looked into solar and wind power for home. Ends up being big bucks up front
and the windmills only have a life to 20-25 years.

[pyro139]

Wind Farms kill thousands of birds...
How's that for green energy?  Tongue...

I hate birds! Espcially when they hit me at 70mph. Hurts.

If we had less birds I would have had to replace one less face shield.
Screwed up logic there, non?

looked into solar and wind power for home. Ends up being big bucks up front
and the windmills only have a life to 20-25 years.

set up a bycicle with a peddled generator, then marry a very strong healthy women

[mlinder]

Wind Farms kill thousands of birds...
How's that for green energy?  Tongue...

I hate birds! Espcially when they hit me at 70mph. Hurts.

If we had less birds I would have had to replace one less face shield.
Screwed up logic there, non?

looked into solar and wind power for home. Ends up being big bucks up front
and the windmills only have a life to 20-25 years.

You mean, you aren't concerned enough about the environment to do your part by paying an metric assload of money  every 25 years for an unreliable power source that can have a detrimental impact on local wildlife?

[Goldbug]

49cc scooters are the answer. Save money on insurance too. Only problem is I've yet to see one that was manly enough for me.

the 50 cc honda rukus is reasonably masculine.  even comes in combat camoflague:

Still doesn't cut it. It's that scooter shape. Now if they could make something that looked more like a motorcycle but was super light and had a high efficiency 50cc engine I'd buy two.

[pyro139]

49cc scooters are the answer. Save money on insurance too. Only problem is I've yet to see one that was manly enough for me.

the 50 cc honda rukus is reasonably masculine.  even comes in combat camoflague:

Still doesn't cut it. It's that scooter shape. Now if they could make something that looked more like a motorcycle but was super light and had a high efficiency 50cc engine I'd buy two.

there always a tomos streetmate Moped

[DammitDan]

Aww it's so liddle!

[el kabong]

seems the rukus failed.  how about a monkey:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7320458550775727361

[seaweb11]

Here's a low cc bike with alternative fuel

[toycollector10]

Thanks for the link Bob, just what I was looking for....

[74cb750]

I read somewhere that an American co. is coming out with
a "home electric windmill" at a cost of under $11,000.
The main problem with wind power in the Northeast USA is
inconsistent winds.


5 years ago my electric bill was <$60, now that we moved into
a single family house it is never  under $130, so if we figure a 20 year lifespan,
@ $65/month savings...it would take many, many years to realize a
break-even point.

An alternative to gas/diesel/electric would be H2, which you could generate via
using the electicity from the windmill. I imagine the $ savings would be
greater to propel your vehicles than using the windmill to generate electriciy for a home.
AND you wouldn't have to worry about the winds being incosistent as much.
I imagine the reason this is not currently done is cost. Am I right?

If there were an alternative to gas/diesel I would use it,
IF I could afford it. There's the rub, non?

Tell you what: send me the $ and I'll try it out and get back to you
peace,
michel

[mlinder]

Only wealthy people with too much time on their hands can afford to be 'green'. That's the sad truth.

[DammitDan]

Only wealthy people with too much time on their hands can afford to be 'green'. That's the sad truth.

This can't be farther from the "sad" truth.  Recycling your trash, carpooling and/or not driving every chance you get (e.g. save trips to the grocery store to get everything needed at once), not buying products with excess amounts of packaging, conserving energy by not turning all the lights on/leaving lights on all the time (and buying halogen bulbs!), DON'T LITTER (it amazes me that people are so lazy as to still do this), don't throw bleach or other chemical liquids (e.g. OIL) down the drain, or ESPECIALLY into a stream/river/pond, etc. etc. etc.  Common sense stuff, guys.

Living green simply means living with an eye toward environmentalism.  And most of those things I just listed will actually SAVE you money!  You don't have to spend exorbitant amounts of money to respect the environment.