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Offline gbal06

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78 Cb550K start up issue
« on: January 02, 2024, 06:48:52 AM »
My Cb550k has been sitting since I moved from Ca to TN.I emptied the gas from the tank and carbs before I moved.  I was able to get it started but as soon as I let go of the throttle it dies.  It ran perfectly before I "stored it".  Any ideas what the issue could be and how to fix it? Thank you

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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2024, 07:04:56 AM »
Do you realise that after a (cold) start you need a raised idle? If not, the engine will die. Your choke knob is partly for the chokes and partly for a raised idle. These models are a bit sensitive to playing this knob. These models are the last of the CB500/550 serie and can need to have that knob still pulled for the first km. Previous models don't have this knob in the view of the rider and need to have the chokes fully reopened by the lever on the LH side of the carbs before taking of.
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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2024, 07:09:17 AM »
Are you using choke to start?

As a guess, you have clogged pilot jets the have to be yanked and cleared in carb cleaner.  These are tiny orifices that once wet, can dry leaving a lacquer like plug in the orifice channel, blocking further fuel flow.  This pilot circuit dominates fuel mixture when throttle is near closed.

Low Header pipe temp can indicate which of the carbs are not flowing proper fuel mixture.
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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2024, 07:31:49 AM »
I am using the choke to start.  Excuse my ignorance, but if an orifice was clogged on the carb, would it even start?

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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2024, 08:52:32 AM »
I can just about guarantee that the press in pilot jets are blocked, the pd carbs hate being stood and not used.
Standing for only 1 week can block the pilots
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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2024, 08:58:26 AM »
I would need to remove the jets, spray some cleaner in where the needles are and blow them out?

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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2024, 09:36:24 AM »
More likely use a guitar string or similar to clean them.
They can be removed by gripping tightly, pulling and twisting at same time, refit with a tap from a nylon hammer.
Its best to get the carb bodies ultrasonicaly cleaned BUT it is not a good idea to stip the carbs off the assembly due to hundresds of finicky and impossible to get parts
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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2024, 10:14:36 AM »
Before you dig in, try this trick. Assuming you can get it going, warm it up at the fast idle. Now hold it at about 4,000 RPM and pull the choke all the way out. On some rare occasions, this will clear the idle jets. Try it several times, before giving up. It won’t cause any harm, and might work.

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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2024, 10:15:56 AM »
I am using the choke to start.  Excuse my ignorance, but if an orifice was clogged on the carb, would it even start?

No…. With the partially open throttle, you are running on the main jets. The holes in them are much larger and still open.

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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2024, 10:26:55 AM »
Thank you guys.  I will try everything and report back

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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2024, 11:07:55 AM »
Before you dig in, try this trick. Assuming you can get it going, warm it up at the fast idle. Now hold it at about 4,000 RPM and pull the choke all the way out. On some rare occasions, this will clear the idle jets. Try it several times, before giving up. It won’t cause any harm, and might work.
Good tip worth trying! I was thinking of the trick I use to suck my slow jets clean every two months using the vacuum of a cranked engine, but the K3/4 PD carbs are different and I don't think their slow jets will have a similar airflow. I advise on these models to poor a maintenance dose of a fuel system cleaner at every tankfil. For the rest, ride your K3/4 regularly.
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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2024, 09:12:25 PM »
I am using the choke to start.  Excuse my ignorance, but if an orifice was clogged on the carb, would it even start?

There is more than one fuel circuit in the carb.  At or above part throttle the main and slide needle meter fuel, especially with the choke applied. This allows the engine run until the throttle returns to idle position.   It’s possible not all the pilot jets are clogged.  That’s why I told you to check the exhaust headers for temp.  Clear pilots will allow the head pipes to heat more.  Then you only have to clear the carbs related to the colder head pipes.

I would also verify that each of the four float bowls are filling.  I have seen float valves get stuck from sitting, too, which will stop an individual carb from working entirely.  Again a cold exhaust header would tell you which corresponding carb is at issue.

You can flash touch a hot header very very briefly.  Your hand’s heat sensors are slow to react.  But, have a bit of memory to relay relative heat after the touch.  Only repeat touch when you are certain the heat is low enough not to burn.  You can think of it as a digital sampling technique. Very short contact events you repeat as needed to get a heat sense.  Assume the next pipe is too hot to hold, even if you initially find a cold pipe You can hold.  Or use one of those cheap temp guns from Harbor Freight.

On some occasions refilling the bowls with fuel can dissolve dried gas deposits. This is a welcome “self cure” When you are lucky to encounter it.  But, if the blockage remains after few days of soaking, more invasive action is indicated.  You don’t have to remove the carbs to access the blocked components.  Just the float bowls and a bit of human contortions.
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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2024, 12:20:19 AM »
My Cb550k has been sitting since I moved from Ca to TN.[...]
Just for the record, for how long has bike been inactive?
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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2024, 03:31:57 AM »
My Cb550k has been sitting since I moved from Ca to TN.[...]
Just for the record, for how long has bike been inactive?
Yes, that is Very important information left out by gbal06.

Varnished gas is sticky and will hold float valves shut so no gas will flow into the bowls. That is the reason to verify how much gas in each float bowl.


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Re: 78 Cb550K start up issue
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2024, 06:50:35 AM »
Once you get it going, if you can get non-ethanol fuel it may help clean things up.
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