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Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« on: January 09, 2024, 10:41:04 AM »
With a new set of tires, I'm wondering if there is any benefit to choosing "Heavy Duty" Inner Tubes that would justify the extra cost and or weight?

PROS/CONS?

Thoughts, Opinions, or Comments are all appreciated!
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2024, 11:15:08 AM »
I use HD tubes in off road bikes or our ice racer. The rest get regular tubes. I always used to replace tubes with new tires but some of the new ones are so crappy looking I  occasionally reuse a good Michelin or Dunlop tube when I find it in the old assembly….

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2024, 11:29:44 AM »
I use HD tubes in off road bikes or our ice racer. The rest get regular tubes. I always used to replace tubes with new tires but some of the new ones are so crappy looking I  occasionally reuse a good Michelin or Dunlop tube when I find it in the old assembly….

Thanks for your reply John!  I considered re-using the Michelin Airstop 3.25-19 tube that I just removed.  But, while the tube looks to be in good condition, (like the tires I'm replacing), they're both at least thirty years old.  So... I figure good sense dictates, out with the old and in with new.

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2024, 11:38:28 AM »
I have a hard time reusing a tube after two or three tire changes (less than 6 years) even if it looks good. The stuff is so cheap and thin these days.

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2024, 11:46:06 AM »
I have a hard time reusing a tube after two or three tire changes (less than 6 years) even if it looks good. The stuff is so cheap and thin these days.

That's what I'm thinking rotortiller, and why I'm considering HD Tubes!  I'm thinking the HD tubes may be less prone to punctures when installing them... especially for someone who's always previously had a shop mount and balance my new tires.

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2024, 12:54:26 PM »
Thicker tube to withstand sharp tire irons better, right? ;)

I have some tubes, HD tubes that are heavy. I ordered them to reuse them.

Important to  have good tire irons.
I have the curved "michelin" type.
The end had sharp corners and punctured a tube very easy.

I grinded off the corners to rounded ends on a bench grinder and  smoothened the surface from rough mold surface to an even surface. The entire area that will scratch the rim.

This tool make the job much easier when forcing the tire bead to  let go off the rim sides.

Also when mounting the new tire. It holds wheel in place and help to   press down the tire to rim center so the last part can be bended on the rim.
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2024, 01:26:33 PM »
TuBliss, especially for the dirt..

Converts tube type spoked rims to tubeless. It incorporates a high press bead lock, rim seal, and low pressure rim bump protection….let’s you run 0 + pressure for different terrains…requires an extra valve stem. One for the bead lock seal and one for the tubeless tire..

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2024, 02:17:31 PM »
Thicker hose to wirhstands sharo ture irons better, right? ;)

I have some tubes, HD tubes that are heavy. I ordered them to reuse them.

Important to  have good tire irons.
I have the curved "michelin" type.
The end had sharp corners and punctured a tube very easy.

I grinded off the corners to rounded ends on a bench grinder and  smoothened the surface from rough mold surface to an even surface. The entire area that will scratch the rim.

This tool make the job much easier when forcing the tire bead to  let go off the rim sides.

Also when mounting the new tire. It holds wheel in place and help to   press down the tire to rim center so the last part can be bended on the rim. ...

Thanks for sharing Pewe!
By... "Thicker hose to wirhstands sharo ture irons better, right? ;)"
Did you mean... Thicker tubes to wirhstands sharo ture irons better, right? ;)"?  Or something else?

I hear you on the good tire irons!  But don't think I'll be investing in all that high tech tire equipment in your pix.  But I bet its nice to have if you change a lot of tires.

Thanks for your reply!  ZT

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2024, 02:20:36 PM »
TuBliss, especially for the dirt..

Converts tube type spoked rims to tubeless. It incorporates a high press bead lock, rim seal, and low pressure rim bump protection….let’s you run 0 + pressure for different terrains…requires an extra valve stem. One for the bead lock seal and one for the tubeless tire..

http://tubliss.com/

Very interesting Tracksnblades!  But I don't think that setup is quite right for my K1.
Thanks for sharing though!
ZT

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2024, 04:24:57 PM »
I used an extra thick rubber heavy duty tube once - not using it any more. It was very much harder to install and getting the valve stem through the hole I thought was absolutely impossible until I somehow got it in - never again!
One of my tyres has a pristine bridgestone tube in it that I have had (always in a tyre) since the nineties - I keep using it because the rubber shows no sign of age as it hasn't been exposed to air or light and was made at a time when they were somehow made better than modern ones?
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2024, 05:42:19 PM »
I used an extra thick rubber heavy duty tube once - not using it any more. It was very much harder to install and getting the valve stem through the hole I thought was absolutely impossible until I somehow got it in - never again!
One of my tyres has a pristine bridgestone tube in it that I have had (always in a tyre) since the nineties - I keep using it because the rubber shows no sign of age as it hasn't been exposed to air or light and was made at a time when they were somehow made better than modern ones?
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Was that 'extra thick' one a Michelin? I've got some that look like they will never fit, was going to install them this winter. I'm tired of having to "air up" every 2 weeks because the tubes all leak nowadays. I NEVER saw that until Bikemaster dominated tubes (Chinko crap...).

In the "old days" we had 3 tube choices:
1. Synthetic rubber tubes - they never leaked air, but ripped wide open if a nail punched a hole in them (like they exploded or something).
2. Natural rubber tubes - these could sort of 'self heal' enough to make it through a motocross race if a thorn stabbed into it: they never ripped open, but always leaked air (much like modern Chinko-made tubes do) slowly, needing a few pounds every couple of weeks or so. These were popular for touring before the 55 MPH speed limit, as they would not "blow out" from a puncture at speed, but just leak down.
3. Blended tubes. These were a blend of the above materials and for many years were BMW's imported tubes for their bikes (in the old Butler and Smith days). I used them in my 750: in fact, the front tire and the 2 spares in the Vetter are this type - much re-used since 1975!
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2024, 08:13:48 PM »
I edited my reply that was strange. I had other things in my mind..... ;)
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2024, 09:43:20 PM »
 I mounted a tire for a 400 twin once and the guy had a pirelli extra heavy tube, I think it could run for a while with no tire.
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2024, 02:08:21 AM »
I have found the natural, heavy duty tubes to be the best choice for me.  They seem to leak less air and tend to be forgiving when mounting with tire irons.  They can take a tweek from a tire iron and not be damaged like a synthetic can.  The down side of natural/heavy duty tubes is they are harder to find and more difficult to mount.  Best trick I know is to lube them with baby powder and partially inflate them when putting the 2nd half of the tire on the rim. 

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2024, 03:04:22 AM »
The tube must be inflated a little,  it will otherwise be flat under the tire iron.
Tube slightly rounded, tire iron can avoid the tube.
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2024, 06:55:09 AM »
Yes, my tubes drift down all the time
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2024, 11:29:43 AM »
Thanks again to all who replied here!

I just ordered the IRC GS-11 tire set along with a Michelin Standard (19BF) Airstop tube that was the same as the tube I just took out of the front wheel and a similar Michelin Standard Airstop tube for the 4.00-18 Rear Tire.  I'll let you all know how it all works out and advise whether I notice any difference between the 30 year old tubes and the new ones.

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2024, 02:13:35 PM »
Good choice on the tubes. Will be interested to hear if they “leakdown” at all. Their stuff used to be A1.

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2024, 04:01:36 AM »
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Are you some kind of bigot? I find that kind of wording offensive, you would not last long riding with many groups I know. Maybe you were speaking about in Japanese after looking in the mirror?

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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2024, 07:02:08 AM »
Im glad i'm not the only one that has had trouble with some of the tubes lately. I also have a few that need air veery few weeks.
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2024, 07:31:06 AM »
I mounted a tire for a 400 twin once and the guy had a pirelli extra heavy tube, I think it could run for a while with no tire.

That's what my new Michelin tubes look like! Haven't mounted them yet.
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2024, 08:31:12 AM »
I mounted a tire for a 400 twin once and the guy had a pirelli extra heavy tube, I think it could run for a while with no tire.

That's what my new Michelin tubes look like! Haven't mounted them yet.
I have both Michelin and another brands 4mm thick tubes.
Wider tire and rim will hopefully make it easier. 130/80,  3" rim
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Re: Heavy Duty Inner Tubes? Or Not?
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2024, 01:45:10 PM »
The bottom line IMO is buy a good name brand tube rather than the cheapest one you find online.
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