Author Topic: 75 CB550 paint question  (Read 694 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline 88BuckMeister

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 124
75 CB550 paint question
« on: February 03, 2024, 01:31:44 PM »
So I'm planning to get the Candy Jade Green kit from VMR (unless you guys know of a better deal on a quality paint). I just got the decal kit in from Ebay. It was a custom made kit. I then thought oh...OK so the inside of the decals is painted black...so I asked the decal guy who replied that yes, I'll have to measure using the decals where the black area has to be and then paint it before the decals are applied...

So I mean...the Candy Jade Green is quite specific in terms of a paint code...what am I supposed to use on the black area? Just...gloss black?

Also if any of you are painters give me a quote to send the tank and side cover to you to do the job. Even better if you already have the paint. Just exploring options. If not I'll need to buy the black so I'll need to know "what black" to use.

Or...now that I think about it if anyone has a freshly done tank for sale I'd do that too
« Last Edit: February 03, 2024, 01:55:21 PM by 88BuckMeister »

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,087
  • I refuse...
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2024, 01:45:32 PM »
No such thing as just plain old “gloss black”. If VMR has an original black, then I’d grab that if you seek a very original paint scheme.

In the past, I’ve painted an area just outside of the decal with (in your case) black. Then applied the decal and outline tape to cover the black, then shoot the primary color. Pull the decal and tape, shoot clear coat, et voilá you have perfect lines and colors with your decal beneath the clear for long term protection. (Example attached)

I’d expect a pro to charge roughly $500-$600 to paint the tank and side covers provided there’s not a ton of prep or surface dents.
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline 88BuckMeister

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 124
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2024, 02:07:20 PM »
No such thing as just plain old “gloss black”. If VMR has an original black, then I’d grab that if you seek a very original paint scheme.

In the past, I’ve painted an area just outside of the decal with (in your case) black. Then applied the decal and outline tape to cover the black, then shoot the primary color. Pull the decal and tape, shoot clear coat, et voilá you have perfect lines and colors with your decal beneath the clear for long term protection. (Example attached)

I’d expect a pro to charge roughly $500-$600 to paint the tank and side covers provided there’s not a ton of prep or surface dents.

Well that's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm sure there is an original black, I'm just trying to figure out what that is. And where I can get this paint. Somebody said the 77 black was Excel Black but even then it's like where do I even get this paint?
« Last Edit: February 03, 2024, 06:36:26 PM by 88BuckMeister »

Offline Ozzybud

  • Honda Lover
  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 229
  • Honda Lover
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2024, 08:34:18 PM »
Yes there are different shades of black.

There is no such thing as True 100% black paint.

I use these 2 products depending on the customers needs..or my need for perfection. both are made by PPG

PPG DBC9700 Called "Jet Black Base Coat"
OMNI MBC9300 Called "Black Base Coat"
The DBC9700 is as close to true black as you can get readily. the colors side by side has the OMNI brand looking slightly Brown. but by itself on a motorcycle tank out in the sun it looks jet black.

Honda did not give up their paint formulas. likely depending on the vendor and batch all the colors will be different over time they would call it "Gloss Black" and these 2 formulas will match perfectly.

either one of these shades will look absolutely correct to any naked eye on your CB550 especially surrounded by a pinstripe and color.

Pic of headlight bucket I painted yesterday DBC9700 and OMNI MC161 clear... hard as nails!
Ozzybud
« Last Edit: February 03, 2024, 08:50:15 PM by Ozzybud »
1976 Z50A YELLOW
1970 CT70 BLUE
1971 CT70H ORANGE
1972 CT70H GREEN
1973 CL200 BLUE
1973 CB350F RED
1975 CB360T RED
1975 CB400F BLUE
1975 CB550 ORANGE
1976 CB750F RED

Offline RAFster122s

  • I feel like a really really
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,458
  • SOHC4 member # 2605
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2024, 02:39:39 AM »
Some blacks are on the brown side of black and others are on the blue side of black...
Black is a funny color in that true black is actually absorbing all the shade of color other than those which are reflected back at you...whereas white is reflecting all the colors of the visible spectrum. They have a competition among paint companies apparently, not officially a competition, to see who can create the blackest black...
Apparently they like to display this handiwork on automobiles. Recall a BMW that sported the blackest paint or surface coating known to man and the reflectivity of the light was how they measured this blackness.
It reflected so little light it would be a huge hazard on the road at night because on dark streets the lack of reflectivity would cause it to be highly likely to be involved in an auto accident where cross traffic would not see or detect this car as easily because our eyes rely on reflectivity far more than we might think abd if only the lighting of the car were seen even in the city, the blackness of the vehicle would rob us of many cues the eye uses to detect things at night, so if the headlamps were not seen then we wouldn't detect the movement if the vehicle as easily as our eyes are tuned to detect movement. Because it's reflectivity is so low our ability to register movement would be impaired. It was an interesting discussion about the visual process, much of which I have forgotten.  Oh, almost forgot to mention, it used carbon nanotubes in the paint.
David
David- back in the desert SW!

Offline MauiK3

  • A K3 is saved
  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,349
  • Old guy
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2024, 06:46:00 AM »
Gotta love the black cars, they always show a lot of swirls where folks get too heavy with the rubbing.
1973 CB 750 K3
10/72 build Z1 Kawasaki

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,087
  • I refuse...
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2024, 07:43:08 AM »
Gotta love the black cars, they always show a lot of swirls where folks get too heavy with the rubbing.
That’s because they don’t deep clean the clear coat first (like with a clay bar) and follow up after buffing with polishing pads.

But you’re right; from 10’ away black cars look stellar when clean. Get within 2’ and everything shows.
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline 88BuckMeister

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 124
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2024, 08:12:48 AM »
Yes there are different shades of black.

There is no such thing as True 100% black paint.

I use these 2 products depending on the customers needs..or my need for perfection. both are made by PPG

PPG DBC9700 Called "Jet Black Base Coat"
OMNI MBC9300 Called "Black Base Coat"
The DBC9700 is as close to true black as you can get readily. the colors side by side has the OMNI brand looking slightly Brown. but by itself on a motorcycle tank out in the sun it looks jet black.

Honda did not give up their paint formulas. likely depending on the vendor and batch all the colors will be different over time they would call it "Gloss Black" and these 2 formulas will match perfectly.

either one of these shades will look absolutely correct to any naked eye on your CB550 especially surrounded by a pinstripe and color.

Pic of headlight bucket I painted yesterday DBC9700 and OMNI MC161 clear... hard as nails!
Ozzybud

I just looked it up to see where I can get it. A quart is like $250. That's more than I paid for the Candy Jade Green kit for the whole bike. At that price I'd rather use a sharpie. Any other ideas in terms of affordable options? Anywhere I can get this cheaper? The omni paint is waaaaayyyyy cheaper than the other stuff. I can get a quart of that for like 70 bucks. But you said that'll work as well? I want to be original, but I feel like the black surrounded by pin stripes and a honda emblem, and the majority of the tank with the right Candy Jade Green I feel like I can get away with just about any black unless you disagree. Again I'm not a painter, I just have to order the paint. My painting guy us the painter. But yeah the omni stuff is like 70 bucks the other stuff is like 250...
« Last Edit: February 04, 2024, 08:21:26 AM by 88BuckMeister »

Offline Ozzybud

  • Honda Lover
  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 229
  • Honda Lover
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2024, 10:21:17 AM »
You can successfully use poof can as a basecoat and get great results (dupli color DE1635) and catalyzed clear ontop. Omni black 9300 is a good choice as well. But a spray can is only $12.00. I have never had a bad experience using a spray can as the basecoat.
1976 Z50A YELLOW
1970 CT70 BLUE
1971 CT70H ORANGE
1972 CT70H GREEN
1973 CL200 BLUE
1973 CB350F RED
1975 CB360T RED
1975 CB400F BLUE
1975 CB550 ORANGE
1976 CB750F RED

Offline Nurse Julie

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 368
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2024, 10:52:35 AM »
Honda NH1
Trust me I'm a Nurse, I promise it won't hurt....much

Offline Tracksnblades1

  • My Son was a collegiate competition Trap, Skeet, and sporting Clay
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,882
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2024, 11:39:18 AM »
Don’t overlook ImRon….
Still used on nearly every Class 8 truck and every LP tank that never sees a garage…
ImRon marine is popular on boats that live in the water not on a lift..

I agree with 737 on the price of a professional.
Getting professional results by the pro(s)  will be as easy for them as a recertification is for you and your dad..
This is a place I wouldn’t economize any..An oops with gasoline will ruin your day with inferior products.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2024, 12:17:01 PM by Tracksnblades1 »
Age Quod Agis

Offline bryanj

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,089
  • CB500 Number 1000036
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2024, 02:54:39 PM »
Have fun fitting them, they can be tight!
Semi Geriatric ex-Honda mechanic and MOT tester (UK version of annual inspection). Garage full of "projects" mostly 500/4 from pre 73 (no road tax in UK).

Remember "Its always in the last place you look" COURSE IT IS YOU STOP LOOKIN THEN!

Offline Captainkirk

  • Certified bike nut
  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 146
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2024, 05:11:53 PM »
Don’t overlook ImRon….
Still used on nearly every Class 8 truck and every LP tank that never sees a garage…
ImRon marine is popular on boats that live in the water not on a lift..

I agree with 737 on the price of a professional.
Getting professional results by the pro(s)  will be as easy for them as a recertification is for you and your dad..
This is a place I wouldn’t economize any..An oops with gasoline will ruin your day with inferior products.

I've used Imron many times in the past. Before I knew better, anyway. Great paint, tough as nails and chemical resistant...but really hazardous stuff, and in some cases, deadly. Not for the casual shooter to spray in his garage without proper respirators and hazmat suits.
It's easier to ask forgiveness than to gain permission.

Offline Stev-o

  • Ain't no
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 34,419
  • Central Texas
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2024, 07:04:21 AM »
Gotta love the black cars, they always show a lot of swirls where folks get too heavy with the rubbing.
That’s because they don’t deep clean the clear coat first (like with a clay bar) and follow up after buffing with polishing pads.

But you’re right; from 10’ away black cars look stellar when clean. Get within 2’ and everything shows.

Having owned several black cars over the years, my brother and I used to joke around and say "Black cars look better in the shade"!   [it was lyrics to a song in the 70's]
'74 "Big Bang" Honda 750K [836].....'76 Honda 550F.....K3 Park Racer!......and a Bomber!............plus plus plus.........

Offline Tracksnblades1

  • My Son was a collegiate competition Trap, Skeet, and sporting Clay
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,882
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2024, 09:05:07 AM »
Don’t overlook ImRon….
Still used on nearly every Class 8 truck and every LP tank that never sees a garage…
ImRon marine is popular on boats that live in the water not on a lift..

I agree with 737 on the price of a professional.
Getting professional results by the pro(s)  will be as easy for them as a recertification is for you and your dad..
This is a place I wouldn’t economize any..An oops with gasoline will ruin your day with inferior products.

I've used Imron many times in the past. Before I knew better, anyway. Great paint, tough as nails and chemical resistant...but really hazardous stuff, and in some cases, deadly. Not for the casual shooter to spray in his garage without proper respirators and hazmat suits.

All True….The old ImRon was really bad like Centari ….

Like you say don’t forget your PPE safety equipment….
Nobody wants to have blind pups….

Sherwin Williams is a good one too…however they may have
just lost out to ImRon on some big OEM contracts…
Sevicing aircraft you’ve probably crossed both of these excellent
products before..
« Last Edit: February 05, 2024, 09:30:43 AM by Tracksnblades1 »
Age Quod Agis

Offline Captainkirk

  • Certified bike nut
  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 146
Re: 75 CB550 paint question
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2024, 10:34:42 AM »
Like you say don’t forget your PPE safety equipment….
Nobody wants to have blind pups….

Sherwin Williams is a good one too…however they may have
just lost out to ImRon on some big OEM contracts…
Sevicing aircraft you’ve probably crossed both of these excellent
products before..
Yes, I've shot Imron, Centari, Randacryl, Sherwin-Williams and PPG among others. I don't paint anymore if I can help it.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2024, 10:36:42 AM by Captainkirk »
It's easier to ask forgiveness than to gain permission.