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CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« on: January 31, 2024, 01:40:38 PM »
I've researched this to death and I think I'm losing my mind with all the metric vs imperial math. Apologies if this is one of those topics that have been discussed ad nauseam.

If I'm going to use a 4.25x18 Dunlop K81/TT100 (non-radial) on the rear of my K4 750, is the 4.10x19 the correct size for the front?
Trying to pair them up without wrecking the handling. Currently the bike has a 110/90x18 on the rear and a 100/90x19 in front, and I had no complaints other than the tread was too modern looking.

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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2024, 02:22:58 PM »
I don't understand what Dunlop is trying to do with the sizing on those tt100's!  I have been wanting to run them forever but those sizes seem wayyyy oversized, and I know from experience that generally over-sized tires end up handling and wearing like crap.  But then I see all kinds of pctures of bikes with tt100's, and they don't look that over-sized?!?
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2024, 03:46:19 PM »
I have 4.10 x 19s on the front of my Norton Commando. It originally came to me with narrower (ithink 3.60?). So there is some interchangeability. Dunlop used to have a chart online, showing rim max/mins.

I prefer the handling of the narrower ones, but the rear was wearing too quickly.

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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2024, 04:05:43 PM »
I don't understand what Dunlop is trying to do with the sizing on those tt100's!  I have been wanting to run them forever but those sizes seem wayyyy oversized, and I know from experience that generally over-sized tires end up handling and wearing like crap.  But then I see all kinds of pctures of bikes with tt100's, and they don't look that over-sized?!?

This is the one I found. Sure wish I could get a hold of the radial GP version in the US.


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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2024, 04:09:28 PM »
My issue is just figuring out which pairs w the 4.25 rear on the K series 750s. I believe it should be the 4.10 (and the 3.60 would pair with a 4.10 or 4.00).

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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2024, 06:48:39 PM »
I think you are right about that...it seems every time I look these up, totally different sizes are offered and the numbers don't relate to anything else
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2024, 08:17:06 PM »
Are the Dunlop's measured different?
Tire to match rim.
Front 1.85"x19 rim, tire 3.25-19
Rear 2.15x18 rim, tire 4.0-18

I have tried several brands.
Rear 120/90-18 will mostly wear flat with bad handling sooner than 4.0-18
I have also tried front 100/90-19 on the 1.85 rim.

My K6 has got front 2.15 rim 100/90-19 tire.
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2024, 03:24:06 AM »
Those are the sizes we fitted all the time back in the 70's
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2024, 04:38:31 AM »
Those are the sizes we fitted all the time back in the 70's
You put 4.10x19 on the front?  How? 3.25x19 was stock.
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2024, 07:39:03 AM »
Those are the sizes we fitted all the time back in the 70's
The 4.25x18 and 4.10x19? I'm seeing that setup on pretty much every Rickman CR750 pic.

I have a Dunlop K87 rear tire on my 1970 K0. I think that translates to = Rear Tire size 4.00x18 - 120/90-18. The tire is only a couple years old and has a couple thousand miles on it. It seems that it has worn a bit already. I don't honk on the bike. Is that what I should use or do you guys recommend a different brand / size?
Mathematically a 4" width should be a 101.6mm and a 4.25 is 107.95mm but I've seen it mentioned where a 4.2.5x18 square profile (not 4.00) approximately equals 120/90x18. That's why I'm so dang confused by the 4.25x18 being a 110 on Dunlop's chart. At ~108 it makes sense to round up to 110 but I can't figure out where people are getting 120. Then add the fact that Dunlop's 4.25 is a 4.25/85...which I think is a blend of metric and imperial and I'm guessing maybe an indication that it's a low profile rather than a square profile?

This stuff all takes some pro level common core mental gymnastics to figure out. Makes my head hurt.



So all that said, and since I'm really focusing on the front tire here... If Dunlop's 4.10x19 is coming in at 674x98mm by their chart, is that a good size to pair up with their 4.25 at 661x110mm? I'm guessing so, I just want some reassurance before ordering.
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2024, 07:48:32 AM »
A too wide tire on a narrow rim pinches the bead together.  This makes the sidewall angle inward for poor support and allows the tread portion of the tire to wander in relation to the rim. To compensate for the squirmy feel while riding, tire pressures are increased until it stops feeling squirmy.  The result of tire pressures too high is advanced wear at the center of the tire tread, which allows it to square off and start looking like a car tire.  Then when leaning over in turns the squared portion nearer sidewalls changes how the bike handles, requiring more and more counter steer in corners as tire wear increases.  This progression of events taught me to keep the stock tires sizes on my Honda’s, as more expensive bigger tires only benefit the tire salesmen profit margins both in initial cost outlay and shorter replacement intervals.  The argument that bigger tires create a larger contact patch only applies to rims widened along with the tire tread width, as pinching the bead together increases the crown radius of the tread, which along with higher tire pressures, reduces contact patch of the bigger tire (when new) as well as the poor wear patterns described above.  I have learned to stick with the stock tire sizes (or as close as I can find, even if I have to order them from afar) when keeping the stock rim on my bikes.  I like the neutral handling the bike had when new, and I like it to stay that way for the life of the tires.
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2024, 07:57:09 AM »
Those are the sizes we fitted all the time back in the 70's
You put 4.10x19 on the front?  How? 3.25x19 was stock.

I agree, 4.10 seems too wide for the front.

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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2024, 09:44:32 AM »
A too wide tire on a narrow rim pinches the bead together.  This makes the sidewall angle inward for poor support and allows the tread portion of the tire to wander in relation to the rim. To compensate for the squirmy feel while riding, tire pressures are increased until it stops feeling squirmy.  The result of tire pressures too high is advanced wear at the center of the tire tread, which allows it to square off and start looking like a car tire.  Then when leaning over in turns the squared portion nearer sidewalls changes how the bike handles, requiring more and more counter steer in corners as tire wear increases.  This progression of events taught me to keep the stock tires sizes on my Honda’s, as more expensive bigger tires only benefit the tire salesmen profit margins both in initial cost outlay and shorter replacement intervals.  The argument that bigger tires create a larger contact patch only applies to rims widened along with the tire tread width, as pinching the bead together increases the crown radius of the tread, which along with higher tire pressures, reduces contact patch of the bigger tire (when new) as well as the poor wear patterns described above.  I have learned to stick with the stock tire sizes (or as close as I can find, even if I have to order them from afar) when keeping the stock rim on my bikes.  I like the neutral handling the bike had when new, and I like it to stay that way for the life of the tires.
Agreed 100% but I've had a 110/90 on the rear and a 100/90 on the front for +25 yrs and I'm fine w how it handles. Both are also within reason for the rim. The rear has always wore out a hair quicker in the middle but nothing like a 120 or 130, and I've never had any experience beyond what I'd expect from a vintage bike when riding. I'm mostly changing to the 4.25 (661x110mm) in the rear because I want the TT100s and that is the size I'm seeing on the Rickman and other period race type 750s. They seem to be often, if not always paired with the 4.10 TT100 that Dunlop states is a 674mm height by 98mm width.
The 100/90x19 TT100GP is 662x104mm which matches the non-Harley branded K591 that's still on my old wheel exactly, but I can't get the GP version in the US afaik.
So, seeing as the 4.25 is my only option opting to oversize rather than undersize the rear and my only choices in the US for the front are the 3.60x19 (650x87mm) or the 4.10x19, I'm leaning toward the 4.10.


Those are the sizes we fitted all the time back in the 70's
You put 4.10x19 on the front?  How? 3.25x19 was stock.

I agree, 4.10 seems too wide for the front.

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The actual measurements for the 4.10x19 TT100 are 674x98mm. That's 12mm taller overall and 6mm narrower than the 100/90x19 (662x104mm) I have on there now and the fender has significantly more than enough clearance underneath for an additional 6mm height difference.
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2024, 10:48:33 AM »
The 4.10 is one sort of measurement and the 4.10 another and eiquivalent to 3.50 which is what the 750 had in uk from stock
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2024, 11:07:32 AM »
The 4.10 is one sort of measurement and the 4.10 another and eiquivalent to 3.50 which is what the 750 had in uk from stock

I'm not following... did you mean to say 4.10 and 4.10?

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No i meant to say 4.10 and 3.50, its this damn dyslexic dumfone!!!
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2024, 02:03:22 PM »
Should be attached an inperial/imperial 90%/metric 90% and metric 80% chart
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2024, 02:28:33 PM »
I don't understand what Dunlop is trying to do with the sizing on those tt100's!  I have been wanting to run them forever but those sizes seem wayyyy oversized, and I know from experience that generally over-sized tires end up handling and wearing like crap.  But then I see all kinds of pctures of bikes with tt100's, and they don't look that over-sized?!?

This is the one I found. Sure wish I could get a hold of the radial GP version in the US.



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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2024, 03:02:52 PM »
Let me mix this in the works, I have some K7A  aluminum wheels on my 77 K7 1.85X19 front 2.50X17 rear
I would like modern tires even radials, What are good sizes for that ? Thanks

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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2024, 07:15:13 PM »
I have one of those Dunlop 4.10x19 tyres and can confirm it will fit in a standard fender. It came with my first cb500 back in 2006 when at that time I replaced it with a Pirelli supersport 3.50x19 - turned out the pirelli was slightly wider and I had to remove (grind off) the brake line hook from the fender to allow it to fit without rubbing.
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2024, 07:30:35 AM »
I have one of those Dunlop 4.10x19 tyres and can confirm it will fit in a standard fender. It came with my first cb500 back in 2006 when at that time I replaced it with a Pirelli supersport 3.50x19 - turned out the pirelli was slightly wider and I had to remove (grind off) the brake line hook from the fender to allow it to fit without rubbing.
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2024, 10:18:27 AM »
Should be attached an inperial/imperial 90%/metric 90% and metric 80% chart
Somehow that chart is simultaneously clarifying and confusing. haha.
If I take it at face value tho, it absolutely explains the discrepancies in Dunlop's sizing and what I've been seeing elsewhere as far as conversions.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2024, 10:24:12 AM »
Were no charts back in the 70's we just fitted that size recommended by Dunlop, a UK firm at the time
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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2024, 08:11:28 AM »
The inch sizes on the K81 aren't exactly true measurements.  Anything marked 4.10 is still only 4 inches wide. The .10 means it is lower profile.  The section height is 90% or less of the width.  Any K81 that ends in a 00, 25, or 50 has the full section height which is 90% or more of the width of the tire.  The only sizes available in the US are the 4.10 19, 4.25 18 and 4.10 18. 

I have used K81s on my Triumph since the 1990s.  They are good tires.  I use the 4.10 19 on the front and the 4.10 18 on the rear.  The rear tends to wear quite quickly.  I only get about 3,000 miles out of it before the center is worn.  The fronts last forever.  You shouldn't have any fitting issues with the 4.10 19 on the front of a CB750.

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Re: CB750K Tires: 4.25x18 for the rear, and -.--x19 for the front?
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2024, 01:27:39 PM »
The inch sizes on the K81 aren't exactly true measurements.  Anything marked 4.10 is still only 4 inches wide. The .10 means it is lower profile.  The section height is 90% or less of the width.  Any K81 that ends in a 00, 25, or 50 has the full section height which is 90% or more of the width of the tire.  The only sizes available in the US are the 4.10 19, 4.25 18 and 4.10 18. 

I have used K81s on my Triumph since the 1990s.  They are good tires.  I use the 4.10 19 on the front and the 4.10 18 on the rear.  The rear tends to wear quite quickly.  I only get about 3,000 miles out of it before the center is worn.  The fronts last forever.  You shouldn't have any fitting issues with the 4.10 19 on the front of a CB750.

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Thanks for the reply. That helps a ton.
Went ahead and ordered the tires. Should be here in a few days.
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