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Offline denward17

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CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« on: February 09, 2024, 06:25:48 PM »
Has anyone repaired a CB550 cam chain tensioner?

I took mine out today as I noticed the slotted screw on back cylinder would hardly turn in either direction.

When I had it out I discovered the cam teeth were mostly all bent up and not engaging in the slider that expands/contracts the tensioner.

I took it apart and fixed the teeth, but failed to record how the initial setup of teeth engagement were located, so I just put the cam gear in the middle.

If I understand correctly the slotted screw only moves about 45 degrees left and right.

Is there a way to test it off the engine to insure it works properly?
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2024, 11:50:02 PM »
In basic answer no and no and it happens because people try to turn the bolt via that slot, it is ONLY for assembly purposes and not really neaded then.
I have in the past gently recrimped the bent over tabs to ensure mesh of teeth but never took any notice of where the gears were meshed.
Dave Silver did have new but VERY expensive, its the same as the 500 so used should be out there but also expensive.
I have lost track of the number of these i have seen wrecked by people trying to turn that screw via that slot and wonder why it was there in the first place
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2024, 06:04:52 AM »
Thanks Bryan, I bite the bullet and ordered a new reproduction.

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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2024, 09:54:53 AM »
I thought the slot was there just to hold it while you tighten the nut.
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2024, 10:20:55 AM »
I thought the slot was there just to hold it while you tighten the nut.
Me, too! Or, maybe it was to help the manufacturer build it?
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2024, 10:47:43 AM »
Maybe but cos its there people will insist on tweeking it to try and make the chain quieter which fubars the mechanism
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2024, 11:47:32 AM »
Maybe but cos its there people will insist on tweeking it to try and make the chain quieter which fubars the mechanism

Yes, mine had been really worked on by previous owners to bend the teeth on the mechanism like they were.

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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2024, 01:37:59 PM »
Let's do clear this all up. The slot was cut to hold the stud whilst tightening the nut. Period, end of story. Rotating that stud in either direction either increases or decreases tension on the cam chain. The tensioner is an automatic tensioner. The problem is that when you loosen the nut, the tension automatically sets, but when you go to tighten the nut, the moment the washer in front of the nut comes in contact with the o ring, it tents to rotate the stud with the entire mechanism altering the tension. That's why you have to let the tensioner set itself, then hold the stud with a flat head while tightening the nut.

What causes most damage to the teeth are both lash over time, and people forcing it tighter to try and eliminate noise from the chain, so they hold the stud in the tensioning direction while tightening the nut. The entire mechanism just wasn't designed to work that way, with more chain tension forced into it. You'd be surprised how many people thought they were doing no harm by doing this. that ALSO puts way more stress on the upper and lower ends of the slipper which causes it to crack from the front backward. 😳

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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2024, 02:56:38 PM »
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In my experience I have found that holding a screwdriver in that slot is absolutely necessary to prevent the tension changing when you tighten the lock nut.
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2024, 10:57:05 PM »
Yep... and then there's the risk you widen the slot just a fraction and then, when you want - much later - to replace the old somewhat rounded locknut by a fresh one, you wonder why it takes so long for that nut to come of and then you find out that locknut won't go any further because the widened bolt prevents this and then you realise by you continuing to turn the locknut, you have ruined the tensioner. Thank you Honda for this wonderful design!
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2024, 01:02:37 AM »
The design is fine, its people doing the wrong thing that is the problem
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2024, 02:25:21 PM »
The design is fine, its people doing the wrong thing that is the problem

Agreed. The design was brilliant imo. Soichiro Honda was beyond ahead of his time in every aspect imaginable

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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2024, 03:26:40 PM »
The design is fine, its people doing the wrong thing that is the problem
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Re: CB550 cam chain tensioner repair?
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2024, 03:48:01 AM »
The design is fine, its people doing the wrong thing that is the problem
Yep, the people that didn't get the extra information mechanics received at the annual update meeting organised by the Honda importer.
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