Topic: Will a new EU directive stop us repairing old cars?

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[carnivorous chicken]

...but the UK left the EU...

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Ah but the EU still exists, to do it to other countries. Don't forget this will apply to motorcycles as well.

[CycleRanger]

My uncle has a country place that no one knows about.
He said it used to be a farm before the motor law..

[Alan F.]

My uncle has a country place that no one knows about.
He said it used to be a farm before the motor law..

Same.

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  Banning of motorcycles

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First reading in Canadian Parliament of Bill C-372.  This enactment enacts the Fossil Fuel Advertising Act to prohibit the promotion of fossil fuels except in accordance with the provisions of the Act.

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More control.   

[jgger]

Very sad, indeed.

So here we are facing something purely political and forum rules do not allow politics. I think perhaps the mods should post up some specific ground rules for this thread. This is clearly an example of out of control agencies are making rules, with threats, to govern. They don't have the power or authority to make laws, so this is how they get around.

Please don't drag specific politicians by name or political parties into this thread and let's have a real conversation.

My $00.02, let's see if we can behave.

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Thru the back door I am trying to make aware that there a group self elected people in this world that are enacting there plans that most of us will never agree to. But a large population are aware of these self elected plans that are going  to change the future, which involves are beloved motorcycles and gas power vehicles. I feel the only way to make aware to the ones that seem to believe that everything is going back to normal or is back to normal, is showing some of these videos that will effect our future.   

[jgger]

I am with you all the way, 1080. My hope is this turns into, or stays, an actual conversation and not a cat fight.

Thank you for posting.

[ofreen]

I am with you all the way, 1080. My hope is this turns into, or stays, an actual conversation and not a cat fight.

By ignoring the elephant in the room?

[HondaMan]

Does the EU have a method available to the people to go up against the bureaucrats with, legally, like  a 'petition' or something? I've been watching the farmers in the Netherlands re: nitrogen fertilizer being outlawed, which is a similar situation.

[jgger]

I am with you all the way, 1080. My hope is this turns into, or stays, an actual conversation and not a cat fight.

By ignoring the elephant in the room?

Not ignoring the elephant at all, but I guess the actual elephant is trying to have a conversation about policies that can eventually affect all of us. This is a hard needle to therad. It kind of seems strange that they would go after motorcycle parts suppliers as a beta program, I guess we are all a little  bit like the frogs in a pan of water on the stove. I'm surprised that this didn't kick off in California  first.

[ofreen]

It kind of seems strange that they would go after motorcycle parts suppliers as a beta program,

Generally you go after the low hanging fruit first, which motorcycle riders certainly are. Not that many of us in the great scheme of things.

The elephant in the room is that this subject is inherently political.  You can't get away from politics and have a meaningful conversation about it because the impetus for these restrictions are all coming from one side in the political spectrum.

[jgger]

So the elephant's name is conundrum?

But this is the kind of stuff that an organization needs to stand against, not individuals. So who is leading the pushback ?

[ofreen]

Uncle Tony has an interesting take on which is more environmentally friendly - keeping old cars going, or scrapping them and buying new cars -

[1080]

HondaMan, I hope maybe some that lives in the EU banner may give a better answer to that. The justice system is very expensive to fight anyone in court. They (the unelected ones) know this. I am sure it can be done , but we all must be aware of the people that stand up for are rights and we need to back them up. If we don't look back on history and learn from it we will repeat it. I forgot who said it and how the quote goes. It is not the first time that food is used as a weapon(making farming a bad thing).  One of the biggest problem is accountability. It's some ones else fault. Freedom is everyone's business. If we do not put up a fight they(unelected) win.
Get informed, it is not a conspiracy it is conspiracy fact and it will effect are beloved motorcycles. We being attacked in so many ways, its hard to know which way to go. 

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Ofreen, I have seen that video and I agree with him.

 Also note that EV's are just becoming your first disposable vehicles ,just as did the consumer electronics. 

[jgger]

Both of those videos are interesting., thanks.

Greg to bring the " new parts" points home, check out the video about the Chrysler turbine that is suggested after your's played. Massive R andD went into that only to be scrapped.

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EU wants to ban chrome plating. What ever is started in Europe is pushed in North America at some time later.     

[ofreen]

Hey! quit trying to cheer me up!

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[carnivorous chicken]

I mean, that 5hit is just funny.

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Could this happen in your community?   

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Update. "Local laws designed to protect health, peace & safety..."

[strynboen]

i keep running my old cars..in denmark 35 years old cars(not diesel) can not be target..but they can be taxed..think that is the new veapon

escort 3-1100- 1983 car of the year (1982)

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I ran across Canada with 1989 Chev long box truck pulling a 15 foot camper also loaded with my CB750 and two bicycles.  I did have a few major repairs but the repairs were needed and the truck travel 10270 Km. Great vacation

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stryboen Can you explain how they tax you, is it for running an older car?

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[HondaMan]

Colorado used to have a similar law for pre-1980s cars. Then they just repealed it one day. That cost me my 1979 Fairmont station wagon, the most-useful car I ever owned. It had 450k miles on it then, heading for 500k, worked perfectly except for the air conditioner (couldn't find repair parts for its compressor!).

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  All about control?   

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[seanbarney41]

None of this should shocking or surprising to most members of this forum...old news from about 2010 or thereabouts.  Hell, I realized when I was 18 (35 years ago!) that I wouldn't ever be able to afford a brand new car, even if they built something I actually wanted.  Actually, don't even care to spend any more than the absolute minimum on any four wheeled friends these days...best mileage for the the lowest price and use it til the wheels literally fall off.  And really, this is generally the way with all complex manufactured goods, from cell phones to refrigerators...tools are the one exception, because we are going to need good ones to fix the rest of all this total garbage.

I dunno...maybe the truth of this is not so obvious to people who don't live in Michigan.  Not sure why this guy bothers to use some super spooky codename.  Here in Michigan its not hard to meet and talk to plenty of these folks (there's literally 10s of 1000's of em) and they will tell you the same, quite openly.

[ofreen]

None of this should shocking or surprising to most members of this forum...old news from about 2010 or thereabouts...

This is why I like and will hold onto my Crown Vic P71's.  They are simple, a throwback to earlier days (even Stev-o might appreciate them).  Almost infinitely rebuildable if you keep them from rusting away.  They handle way better than such a big car should be able to.  The 4.6 2 valve V8 is one of the most reliable engines ever built.  Understressed, so a little slow, (like my '75 CB750F ) but that is why there are half million mile ones still running out there.  But, as BMW used to say, power is adequate. The civilian Crown Vics, Grand Marquis, and Town Cars have more luxury garbage on them that will crap out, but the police package Crown Vics have every thing you need, and nothing you don't.  So of course they quit making them in 2011.  The Ford Panther platform was the best sedan Ford ever built.  Nice P71/P7B police package cars are becoming more scarce and the prices are going up quickly. They are becoming a cult car.  Cleetus McFarland isn't helping the situation , but if you find a good one, you will be pleased with what a great daily driver they are.  And they respond to modification.  If I ever wear one out, I may do a Coyote/manual swap on one.