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Offline BasicPoke

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1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« on: February 24, 2024, 10:02:27 PM »
Hi, I'm working on my buddy's 1970 CB750.  For many years he has had trouble with it fouling plugs black and starting to misfire after a few hundred miles on new plugs.  Currently #1 is spared of this malady and looks relatively good.  Rings are relatively new and compression is good.  I know HondaMan has several posts on the rich condition with the K0 and I am working thru these.  But the questions for today:

1.  Does this tie fighter clip in the slide look like the correct part (and slide for that matter), and is it supposed to sit flat on the bottom of the slide?  I cannot get it to seat properly and there is considerable play in the needle.

2.  How do I go about cleaning any build-up from the air bleeds (not sure the correct name).  Pictured is #1 and the left one feeds the pilot jet, right one feeds the main jet emulsion tube.

Thanks
Ron

Offline Galactica

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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2024, 10:37:35 PM »
Maybe check if the floats are set too high.  That makes it easier to pick up fuel from the bowls, especially when the engine and/or ambient temperature is hot.

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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2024, 12:32:43 AM »
If you have needles from cb750 that is running well, compare them.

I had this issue and it turned out to be the needles from a Keyster carb refresh kit were narrower than the ones I'd removed. Old ones back on and I was fine. Apart from no.1 which was still more sooty than the others around the end of the plug thread. This was cured with a synch of the carbs. No.1 was a higher vacuum than the other 3.

Offline Ujeni

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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2024, 10:58:07 AM »
1. Yes, that butterfly clip looks correct. A bit of horizontal play in the needle is normal. There should not be any vertical play in the needle. The "wings" of the butterfly should clip into a grove at the base of the inside of the slip. You can gently bend them to have better tension of the butterfly "wings" if needed.

2. I use an ultrasonic cleaner after removing all parts from the carb bodies. I then clear it out with compressed air to confirm that they are not blocked.

Being one of the few lunatics who actually prefer the earlier carbs, I have a few thoughts...

1. As stated by Galactia and M750K6, check your float level and the condition of your needles. I too had high-quality aftermarket needles that were too thin and caused issues. Always best to go with original Honda part when you can.

2. Check the condition of your slides. Specifically, the diagonal part that the idle screw adjusts against. They can, over time, get grooves that give them weird behaviors (the side might not settle in the same place each time the engine goes to idle.

3. What is your manometer telling you? Remember that the early carbs allow you to set them at both idle and at speed. In other words, confirm that your carbs are synced at idle AND at ~3k RPM and watch them in between. Uneven readings can be a useful clue.

4. Confirm that your idle mixture screws are in good shape and set to factory spec.

Let us know what you find!
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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2024, 11:01:11 AM »
It would also be helpful to know what the needle clip setting is on each carb!
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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2024, 11:07:25 AM »
“3. What is your manometer telling you? Remember that the early carbs allow you to set them at both idle and at speed. In other words, confirm that your carbs are synced at idle AND at ~3k RPM and watch them in between. Uneven readings can be a useful clue.”

Excellent advice from a true expert. At idle you will use the idle screws to sync the carbs. At 3,000 rpm you will use the cable adjusters. Make sure you ONLY drop a slide (lengthen the cable) to sync at revs. If you raise the slides, you risk lifting a slide and changing the idle sync. Tricky, but worth the effort.

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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2024, 11:12:18 AM »
P.S. It is possible to sync the later carbs at revs too. When I finish the idle sync I usually crank the idle screw up to about 2,200-, 2,500 rpm and check my readings. Often a small adjustment at those revs will not really effect your idle, but really improves pulling away from a stop.

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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2024, 11:15:55 AM »
P.S. It is possible to sync the later carbs at revs too. When I finish the idle sync I usually crank the idle screw up to about 2,200-, 2,500 rpm and check my readings. Often a small adjustment at those revs will not really effect your idle, but really improves pulling away from a stop.

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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2024, 12:40:39 PM »
Thanks guys.  I will make another general post with more data later.  I don't see how those clips are going to seat in the slides.  Just doesn't fit.  I will take another look.  The needles are marked 27201 with the K that looks like the right half of a star.  Needle clip at 3rd position from top.  We checked float level with clear tube before but I am going to verify.
Ron

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Re: 1970 CB750 fouling plugs
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2024, 01:07:32 PM »
Does the bike start easy from cold with little or no choke. If so, sure sign of worn needles / needle jets.