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Drum and Rotor Turning
« on: February 21, 2024, 01:01:54 PM »
Interesting fact-OReilly Auto Parts will still turn brake drums and rotors.......I had them do a Honda CL77 motorcycle brake hub for me and they did a decent job on a badly scared unit.  (I had to remove the bearings for fitment on the machine, but overall very satisfied.)

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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2024, 01:05:49 PM »
They can do the brake hub, which is I think an iron liner, but I don't think that their equipment will work on the stainless steel rotors on our bikes. Those require specialized equipment.
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2024, 12:13:01 AM »
ive never seen a worn out or grooved stainless disc on these bikes?probably too hard?id imagine they would have to be ground rather than turned with a cutting tool?

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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2024, 04:00:38 PM »
ive never seen a worn out or grooved stainless disc on these bikes?probably too hard?id imagine they would have to be ground rather than turned with a cutting tool?

I ground the front disk for my CB750K2 with a tool post grinder and a cup wheel which was a it bigger than the disk surface. The cup wheel created what looked line fine steel wool as it cut the surface. I did it after drilling the rotor.

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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2024, 04:34:59 PM »
 I've been told the brake rotors may be ground on a flywheel setup. Finding a shop willing to try is part 2 of that deal.
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2024, 06:43:08 PM »
I've found that the front stainless brake works better if it has some grooves in it! :)
In the end, I cut 2 straight shallow grooves across the surface of the disc (on both sides) from the middle to the outer edge, using a Dremel (no, it's not real pretty). It immediately rewarded me with less water sensitivity in the wet, and I still got over 90k miles from those first set of brake pucks. It's still on the 2nd set now, at over 150k miles.
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2024, 07:32:45 PM »
I've found that the front stainless brake works better if it has some grooves in it! :)
In the end, I cut 2 straight shallow grooves across the surface of the disc (on both sides) from the middle to the outer edge, using a Dremel (no, it's not real pretty). It immediately rewarded me with less water sensitivity in the wet, and I still got over 90k miles from those first set of brake pucks. It's still on the 2nd set now, at over 150k miles.

Mark,do you have a picture of those shallow grooves ?
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2024, 05:20:31 AM »
I've found that the front stainless brake works better if it has some grooves in it! :)
In the end, I cut 2 straight shallow grooves across the surface of the disc (on both sides) from the middle to the outer edge, using a Dremel (no, it's not real pretty). It immediately rewarded me with less water sensitivity in the wet, and I still got over 90k miles from those first set of brake pucks. It's still on the 2nd set now, at over 150k miles.

I would like to see a picture of those as well.

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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2024, 03:14:09 PM »
Here's shots of the 'back' side of the disc. The bike is too close to the wall to let me shoot the other side at the moment.
The first one is showing the wear now, after 40 years or so, near the inner hub as I grooved it in 1980 when I went 'down' from 2 front discs to 1 disc.

I was annoyed by the loss of braking in the wet (after being used to the two-disc setup) and didn't have the $$ to get the whole disc drilled, so I tried grooving it with a Dremel and their 'thick' grinding wheel (about 0.5mm thick). It improved things in the wet enough, so I have used it that way ever since.
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2024, 03:33:12 PM »
years ago i changed my forks to CB900 lowers so i could use a real caliper ( ended up with the rear caliper off a CX650 , which was a 2 piston sliding style, the spoked wheel precludes the use of an opposed piston style ), it bolted up straight to the fork leg but was slightly lower so i had to have the disc radius reduced by about 8 or 10mm. while that was getting done i had the face grooved with 4 grooves per side.
it wasn't exactly what i wanted but still worked immeasurably better than the stock setup and was way better in the wet due to the grooves

on my current build i have again used CB900 lowers with a single disc but i used a VFR800 wavy disc and a Braking brand 4 piston caliper which fitted with a small bracket to push the lower mount point out about 40mm. the disc is about 300mm which probably isn't that much bigger than a stock 750 one but its thinner, lighter, grooved and drilled. i expect much improved performance. i'm using an XR600 master cylinder, not sure if it will be big enough to give the solid ( some say wooden ) feel that i prefer but thats an easy change later if needed
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2024, 04:36:30 PM »
I'm sending my rotors to Truedisk tomorrow. I'm don't remember where I saw this originally.

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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2024, 08:11:47 PM »
ive never seen a worn out or grooved stainless disc on these bikes?probably too hard?id imagine they would have to be ground rather than turned with a cutting tool?

Bet this guy can do it…

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiPpu2OjciEAxVik4kEHQO3D4cQtwJ6BAgNEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8DqmO-zCDAI&usg=AOvVaw2LAMhAnKK90fcnFton0boC&opi=89978449

I think most shops can and always could machine stainless.  High speed, Carbide, and ceramic for the harder ones..
Probably even something better by now…coolant was always important with the harder SS…

Our local shop even uses real butter and/or lard for some special turning processes….😳 smelled like they were deep fat frying one day so I asked what coolant were they using….🤫
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2024, 08:48:11 PM »
I'm sending my rotors to Truedisk tomorrow. I'm don't remember where I saw this originally.

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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2024, 10:24:24 AM »
I'm sending my rotors to Truedisk tomorrow. I'm don't remember where I saw this originally.

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Tom C as well as a few other guys have sent their discs there...

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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2024, 10:51:21 AM »
Guys!...please don't neglect to consider our friends right here on this forum that know these bikes much better than Truedisk.  Hit up Goddfrey's Garage for drilling, trueing, and THINNING.  Even if you don't care about supporting those who support you, Truedisk will NOT signifcantly thin your rotor, because he does not know these bikes well enough to realize that 3/8" thick slab of stainless is wayyyyy overkill.
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2024, 11:51:39 AM »
Guys!...please don't neglect to consider our friends right here on this forum that know these bikes much better than Truedisk.  Hit up Goddfrey's Garage for drilling, trueing, and THINNING.  Even if you don't care about supporting those who support you, Truedisk will NOT signifcantly thin your rotor, because he does not know these bikes well enough to realize that 3/8" thick slab of stainless is wayyyyy overkill.

I have purchased brake parts from Jeff(including a rebuilt front caliper)from his business in WI. and they are top-notch parts;I like the way that Jeff anodizes all the parts that normally corrode which gives them a nice gold shine and he offers many other services.
He gives them a restore that is excellent and stand-up well over time.  ;)
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Re: Drum and Rotor Turning
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2024, 01:54:36 PM »
I'm sending my rotors to Truedisk tomorrow. I'm don't remember where I saw this originally.

https://truedisk.net/

I don't know if he still does it, but I had Jeff at Godffery's Garage do the front rotor on my 550F and all three rotors on my 750F. He also thins them, adds vent holes, and replaces the hardware that holds the rotors to the hats. If you are doing a twin disk conversion he will also counter-drill the holes for the hardware so that they don't interfere with the speedometer drive.

My single disk 550F hauled my heavy butt along with bags and stuff up and down mountains in 2017 and I had no issue with an overheating rotor.

I also visited his shop a couple times and saw his restoration projects. He knows his stuff.

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