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Headlight Kills bike?
« on: March 02, 2024, 07:47:18 PM »
Hello,
So I’m having a dilemma with the headlight on my bike , a truly weird one
The issue is, whenever I go to cold start my bike with the headlight on, it will drain the battery within 30 seconds,
No matter how much I rev the bike to get the stator going I kills it
BUT, when the bike is warmed up without the headlight on and riden for a good while, the headlight stays on once turned and no issues are had.
Check everything with the battery, stator, field coil, reg/rec, wiring. It is perfect working order.
It is strange and I don’t understand it.
any advice would be much appreciated, thanks

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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2024, 08:38:10 PM »
How old is the battery? Have you tested it by itself under a load?
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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2024, 05:27:58 AM »
How old is the battery? Have you tested it by itself under a load?

+1. All the signs of a battery on it’s way out.

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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2024, 10:31:01 AM »
Battery is a brand new Antigravity.

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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2024, 10:38:37 AM »
Those batteries scare me....they have a limited temperature range in which they work right.
They can burn, too. :(
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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2024, 11:12:10 AM »
Battery is a brand new Antigravity.

Hmm, need more info about your charging setup. Are you using a modern reg/rec combo?
When the battery dies how are you recharging it?

Also, being a brand new battery there is a possibility that it is defective in some way.
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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2024, 11:49:44 AM »
Any battery that drains in 30 seconds is bad, if it wasn't bad you'd need a lot of drain to do that. A good 10-15 amp/hr battery would need 90 amps or more to do that in 30 seconds. I would charge the battery and then discharge at a known rate with a timer. When it goes dark I would have a meter on the battery to make sure it is not a connection.

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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2024, 12:26:30 PM »
I did some trouble shooting with a multi-meter while cold starting the bike.
Over night the battery stayed at 12.94 volts. Good battery.
Plugged in the headlight n started the bike. Charging as normal , but stays charging with some throttle, if I let it idle cold , it gets low enough to kill the bike.
I’ve heard these bikes don’t like to charge the battery much cold nor while it’s idling , I’m guessing this is the issue.

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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2024, 12:49:34 PM »
Cold to hot shouldnt make any difference usless a high resistance joint is in circuit, revs do make a big difference
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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2024, 01:34:37 PM »
There are certain lithium mixtures that will not let a 'cold' battery release very much power. The chemical reaction of the lithium cell happens at temperature (remember all the 'stuck' Tesla's last January?) and a cold battery has little power. "Cold" is a relative term, determined by the individual battery's design (or construction, or lithium chemistry used).

Here's something you might try, which comes from old oilfield experience:
When coming to the bike, turn the key on and turn on the headlight for 3-5 seconds (maybe 10) before trying to start it. The discharge, if it have enough surface electrons available, will warm the individual cells very quickly. Then the chemistry will start, bringing up the free electrons you need.

In the oilfield, when our trucks would be in sub-zero (WAY sub, like -30 degrees F or more) for the night before, we would climb into the cabs and turn on all the lights on the truck, marker lights, spotlights, etc. Then about 45-60 seconds later the engines could turn over fast enough to start. If we just tried to jump in the cabs and start them, they turned over too slowly and flooded the engines with diesel, making them REAL hard to start, if at all. The discharge will fire up the chemistry in the lithium battery: you might have to experiment with the 'start delay' time to make it optimum.
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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2024, 01:40:01 PM »
Interesting, ok I will try that, thanks  !

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Re: Headlight Kills bike?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2024, 03:23:21 PM »
Interesting, ok I will try that, thanks  !
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