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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2024, 03:02:03 PM »
My 500 is half way through its second set of tyres since I fitted a $15 Daiichi plate/points/condensers from ebay back in 2012 - so far I haven't had any issues. I have a working odometer now so we'll see how many more miles(kilometers) I get out of them. (I do have a $100 oem genuine honda one in my parts stash!)
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2024, 04:53:18 PM »
My 500 is half way through its second set of tyres since I fitted a $15 Daiichi plate/points/condensers from ebay back in 2012 - so far I haven't had any issues. I have a working odometer now so we'll see how many more miles(kilometers) I get out of them. (I do have a $100 oem genuine honda one in my parts stash!)
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2024, 07:55:46 AM »
I don't suppose there's a way to tell?
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2024, 11:34:15 AM »
There are cheaper Dyna-S knock offs too. ;D
I ordered mine from USA. Have not tested yet.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2024, 02:57:38 PM »
I used to always use Daiichi points and condensors because that was what my local motorcycle shop had in stock, on the shelf, walk in and buy it whenever needed.  I did not know any better.  They would last anywhere from 1 to 10 thousand miles.  I thought that was just the best points ignition could do.   

Same, that's what the shop had but I switched them out frequently.

I'm a little surprised at the recommendation to just buy a whole new plate instead of just the points, and someone recommended DSS. But anyone know what these are (I can't tell from enlarging the photo). Red Honda package. Labelled by DSS and genuine part (for $14 ea) as opposed to aftermarket (for $11 ea).

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2024, 05:15:52 PM »
I don't suppose there's a way to tell?

The Japanese Daiichi parts were OK: they came with a big 3-leafed plant stamped on the bottom of the round condensor, and the same logo but smaller on the points baseplate. The Chinko knockoff version(s) looked different (and cheesy) and its position wandered from part to part. Later the Chinko parts weren't even marked. That's their status as of the last ones I saw in 2022.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2024, 05:31:55 PM »
Basically, all the the oem manufacturers will have their own marks on each part somewhere
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2024, 07:25:34 PM »
I used to always use Daiichi points and condensors because that was what my local motorcycle shop had in stock, on the shelf, walk in and buy it whenever needed.  I did not know any better.  They would last anywhere from 1 to 10 thousand miles.  I thought that was just the best points ignition could do.   

Same, that's what the shop had but I switched them out frequently.

I'm a little surprised at the recommendation to just buy a whole new plate instead of just the points, and someone recommended DSS. But anyone know what these are (I can't tell from enlarging the photo). Red Honda package. Labelled by DSS and genuine part (for $14 ea) as opposed to aftermarket (for $11 ea).

The Daiichi points have really flooded the market,imo.
'Planned obsolescence' to the MAX !! Wear'em out,throw away & buy new AGAIN & AGAIN..  >:(
Do you know if DSS "aftermarket" points are Made in Japan? they're probably Daiichi  :(
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2024, 06:30:11 AM »
So if I have the TEC plate, am I able to simply buy the TEC points and condensors a la carte? Or do I need to order the whole setup. I don't care either way. Just trying to find the cheapest way to skin the cat properly.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2024, 07:32:21 AM »
So if I have the TEC plate, am I able to simply buy the TEC points and condensors a la carte? Or do I need to order the whole setup. I don't care either way. Just trying to find the cheapest way to skin the cat properly.
Well, you can calculate it yourself at CMSNL or DS, but I seem to remember that last I did this myself, the complete set was the winner. Saves you a lot of work too.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2024, 08:24:48 AM »
Just received a set of Old Daiichi breakers, in old un-opened boxes.
Wonder if they are “Old or new”.




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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2024, 08:28:03 AM »
Those vintage Daiichi are the better ones.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2024, 11:00:40 AM by grcamna2 »
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2024, 10:28:43 PM »
Typical TEC with blue dot
Sold as genuine part

https://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/CB750K2-FOUR-1972/part_104893/

https://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/CB750K2-FOUR-1972/part_104892/

Condenser for a horrible price!!
https://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/CB750K2-FOUR-1972/part_325166/

Dyna-S will cost not much more or even less than 2 new points + condensers
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2024, 07:39:51 AM »
Points cost a lot nowadays.
The complete point plate I ordered from JTMarks 2014 costed around $100US, maybe a little less.
Today: (Honda does not make sure to support us with new good parts?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/325792113029?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_Mr7oZObTey&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=XgCEg0CPSya&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY


This a more economical alternative.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/145472544949?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=j-llxbbitfo&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=XgCEg0CPSya&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY


You guys that have a bike junkyard with plenty of CB parts nearby can assemble your own good point plate with everything on except gravy and pickles ;D
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #64 on: March 10, 2024, 07:52:32 AM »
Would the condensers be any good after all this time?
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2024, 08:28:18 AM »
Would the condensers be any good after all this time?
That's a good question. Not fun when one goes bad.

Points now as stock CB750 ignition cover. My K2 will get a new SOHC ign cover, save the almost new stock, ordered before the crazy price rallye.

Some original parts cost too much so good aftermarket alternatives on your daily rider bike.
CB500 must cost some too if available.

Save good stock for the day when selling it.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2024, 10:23:40 AM »
Would the condensers be any good after all this time?
That's a good question. Not fun when one goes bad.

Points now as stock CB750 ignition cover. My K2 will get a new SOHC ign cover, save the almost new stock, ordered before the crazy price rallye.

Some original parts cost too much so good aftermarket alternatives on your daily rider bike.
CB500 must cost some too if available.

Save good stock for the day when selling it.
I have 4 cb750's on the road right now, all are running old as found condensors pulled off parts bikes.  The one with the most miles doesn't have an odometer and is running Hondaman box, so not really relevant, next one I have put about 18,000 miles on in about 7 years, next one just got final tuned late last fall so only got about 500 miles, and just got the first ride on a new build yesterday...so 7 years, and 18000 miles on that second one, I would say yeah they can last pretty well!
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #67 on: March 10, 2024, 05:05:09 PM »
I bought them from the same place that I went back to for a Dyna Tech electronic ignition. Never looked back.

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #68 on: March 10, 2024, 06:24:32 PM »
Purchasing a quality complete OEM Honda points plate makes sense:they last.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #69 on: March 10, 2024, 08:10:30 PM »
Would the condensers be any good after all this time?

Yes.
The condensors are built in such a way that if they are left unused for a LONG period, they reduce their capacity slightly as the electrolyte shrinks from electron loss. The typical 'loss' is that instead of being 0.24uF, they become closer to 0.20uF. Using them for 50-100 miles and/or in typical short-haul commuter service (like 10 miles to work and back, etc.) will also restore them.

The condensors were frequently changed on these bikes just because of that practice in cars (particularly GM cars) at the time, when the very high heating of the back-of-engine distributors, combined with vendors who would use [cheaper] inferior insulating material in the condensor windings - some were simply wax - would damage the insulation of the condensor itself. This resulted in either shorted condensors or 'open' ones, which changed their value to be 50% or less of the original capacitance (usually 0.24uF was the most common original value). So, "tune up kits" showed up around the mid-1960s that were points & condensors in a package for your car, and [nefarious] bike dealers started changing the condensors out when the SOHC4 began eating car-like miles in between tuneups, just to bilk owners (which REALLY pissed me off...). Earlier bikes, twins, etc., had remotely-mounted condensors, and no one EVER changed those, as they were not in your face while doing tuneups. Heck, I'll bet half of the readers of this message don't even know where the condensors on the CB72/77 or CB350 twin bikes, or Honda Singles, even WERE... ;)

The 'lost time' in the typical 1970s Honda shop, when the local Honda Service Rep came by and asked about it, was frequently attributed to how long it took to 'change out both condensors and points on the SOHC4 bikes because of all those wires that had to be wound up just so...' when in reality the mechanics should have been only changing points - like I did in my shop, which was a brutally honest place under my thumb. Honda then started supplying entire plate assemblies, a huge waste of money. The sales managers I suffered in my shop came from the less-honest used car and other-bike shops, and we fought all the time over this very topic. I won, because the service shop was MINE. I owned it. This ended up causing quite a reputation for the shop, and we got bikes from 3 States, in pickup trucks and on trailers, that were pooched by other shops, in droves. We NEVER ran out of work, even in the winter.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2024, 12:26:26 PM »
A NipponDenso tune up kit arrived from ebay this morning. The condensors look correct, I'm happy with the X22ES-U plugs, but the points included are Diiachi. I'm wondering if there are any visible differences between the new ones and the better quality older ones. I'm not convinced these points came with this kit originally. They have the 3 petal flower logo and are stamped with JAPAN also. Their base plates are steel with a dull finish.

It was not mentioned in the listing that these were not Hitachi or ND points, I'm not sure if I should take issue with the seller or not, can anyone in the know advise?

I'm not too put out if these points are junk, the 4 plugs and 2 condensors price out at about $15 more (based on current ebay low prices) than I paid.

« Last Edit: March 13, 2024, 12:35:56 PM by Alan F. »

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2024, 01:18:18 PM »
Those are the good ones Alan  8)

They're not as grand as TEC's but at least twice as good as the latest China Daiichi's.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2024, 06:09:44 PM by grcamna2 »
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2024, 01:28:36 PM »
Thanks Bill, not a bad find for $28 and I've got another on the way for just a little more, I'll post pics when it arrives.

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2024, 06:10:42 PM »
Thanks Bill, not a bad find for $28 and I've got another on the way for just a little more, I'll post pics when it arrives.

These old school bikes love the old school parts  ;)
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2024, 10:10:47 PM »
Alan, just to clarify, the Daiichi points can be made to work ok...it is the Condensors that are total useless garbage...if from China, quite immediately, and if from Japan they will probably last long enough that they get you really far from home.  These are my opinions based on my direct experiences.

And I have seen those tune-up kits before.  They often turn up in stashes of parts that have sat around for a longggg time.  Pretty sure ND was NOT the ebay seller, correct?
« Last Edit: March 13, 2024, 10:15:07 PM by seanbarney41 »
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