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72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« on: March 03, 2024, 02:07:14 PM »
Hi y'all! I'm ALMOST done with rebuilding the front brake caliper after it was seized up... but I can NOT for the life of me get the new pad to go into the piston side of the caliper. It's almost like it's either a HAIR too big or one of the two parts isn't perfectly round. I don't want to keep trying to get it in there and inadvertently mess it all up, but yes I used caliper grease and they're the EBC FA13 pads which is supposed to be the set for this y/m/m. Any tips? Photos are on my phone so I'll post those here in a sec. Thank you!
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2024, 03:13:13 PM »
Not sure is this is the issue, but I always sand off the black coating around the edge of the pad.

Is it a close fit, or just the wrong pad?

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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2024, 03:46:57 PM »
Not sure is this is the issue, but I always sand off the black coating around the edge of the pad.

Is it a close fit, or just the wrong pad?

Yeah, what he said ^^^ .

I have had to do that with EVERY one of the EBC pads I've ever installed on any SOHC4 bike. EBC adds that coating over the normally-sized product.
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2024, 03:48:05 PM »
Not sure is this is the issue, but I always sand off the black coating around the edge of the pad.

Is it a close fit, or just the wrong pad?

It *shouldn't* be the wrong pad from everything I've looked up.  That's the EBC part number that comes up everywhere when I look up the pads for my bike.
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2024, 03:50:32 PM »
Not sure is this is the issue, but I always sand off the black coating around the edge of the pad.

Is it a close fit, or just the wrong pad?

Yeah, what he said ^^^ .

I have had to do that with EVERY one of the EBC pads I've ever installed on any SOHC4 bike. EBC adds that coating over the normally-sized product.

Ok, that makes a lot of sense and is good to know about the EBC pads specifically. The fit is SO CLOSE it'll wobble back and forth but also get stuck if I try to square it up with the opening. Looks like I'm using the sander at work tomorrow 😆.
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2024, 03:52:43 PM »
Not sure is this is the issue, but I always sand off the black coating around the edge of the pad.

Is it a close fit, or just the wrong pad?

Yeah, what he said ^^^ .

I have had to do that with EVERY one of the EBC pads I've ever installed on any SOHC4 bike. EBC adds that coating over the normally-sized product.

Ok, that makes a lot of sense and is good to know about the EBC pads specifically. The fit is SO CLOSE it'll wobble back and forth but also get stuck if I try to square it up with the opening. Looks like I'm using the sander at work tomorrow 😆.

I think I would do that by hand, with something like 400 grit or so.

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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2024, 09:52:16 PM »
Yeah, it sands quite quickly and easily by hand with course paper or a file, but then probably a good idea to go back and smooth it out nice with something finer.  400 grit seems wayy overkill to me.  Red scotchbrite or 120/150 is gonna be fine.
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2024, 12:09:29 AM »
Wire brush in a drill is quickest
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2024, 07:23:49 AM »
Wire brush in a drill is quickest

+1...that is what I have used with no issue
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2024, 03:28:02 PM »
I got it!

https://www.tiktok.com/@ricecake727/video/7346984541652880686?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7307342608630777387

It was actually quite a bit of metal that needed to be removed before it would go into place, but I got it and I got everything bled and tightened up today at lunch  ;D
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2024, 03:46:24 PM »
Good to hear...enjoyed your video.

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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2024, 05:34:40 PM »
Good to hear...enjoyed your video.

Thank you!! I try to make them fun lol
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2024, 02:25:59 AM »
Just finished working on the front brake and this is what I did.
Removed the caliper for inspection and cleaning. These brakes are very easy to work on. They are so accessible, you can limit your work to what is needed. The often repeated argument 'now that you're on it', doesn't hold here. Prior to disassembly I had put some penetrating oil on the thread where the pipe enters the top of the caliper, repeated for a couple of days. Don't be tempted to try an open wrench to undo that nut. Use a vise grip instead. Same for the bleeding niple's hexagon. After removing the seal, I dipped the the caliper (left part) in a friend's ultrasonic bath. The piston - in spite of its 47 years of age - can be reused. There is some minor pitting, but it's still the same I have seen some 20 years ago. To be sure I showed it to two mechanics and both said it can be reused no prob. Renewed the seal.
I did not replace the brake hoses. I check them at the beginning of every season and I have no indication for renewal. Maybe because my bike has always been parked in a dark garage. I doubt SS lines will be much of an improvement on a CB500/550 anyway: lines on these models are very short.
I did replace the master cylinder though. The old one was more or less eating itself and CMSNL has a good repro MC (45500-300-010P). Had heard the repro is even better than OEM and a price of € 55,- is unbeatable, if you realise a set for an overhaul is about the same amount. BTW, an OEM mastercylinder is € 532,- (!). The much prettier cap of the old, now abandoned original MC fits the repro nicely. Replaced the worn to the red line Honda pads by ceramic SBS 501HF*. I trust ScandInavian products. The A pad comes with a very nice ring on its back. Smeared an ultra thin (!) coat of copaslip on the sides and backs of the pads. The caliper swing arm didn't need maintenance.
All is fine. The new brake pump has a very nice feel and the pads don't sqeal.
Tip: Forget about brake cleaner! Never liked the stuff. The result was always poor, leaving the disk somewhat greasy. I've used some denatured alcohol on sponges that can remove stains. Wipe the disk once more with denatured alcohol on toilet paper.
* For some reason I have not seen aftermarket brakepads that have these red indicator lines.
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2024, 05:16:14 AM »
To get the metal line off the caliper, I start at the other end. I do use vice grips if I plan on replacing it. Alternatively, a 10 mm tubing wrench and the opposing wrench on the hose side will get the pipe undone. Soak the end in the caliper the night before with your favourite penetrant. With a little luck, you can now slide the closed end of your 10 mm wrench down that pipe to the caliper end. A bit of heat on the caliper “lug” area and it should come loose.

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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2024, 06:26:41 AM »
On an asside ALWAYS warm the caliper with a blowtorch before trying to undo either the bleeder or the pipe fitting
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2024, 07:32:22 AM »
Good morning! Thanks for the advice :) I got everything put back together, bled and tested yesterday and everything seems great. I am going to make a post now about the tank, because there's just a few little things to tie up before I can get it on the road - I'm in the home stretch!!
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2024, 06:26:42 AM »
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2024, 06:51:01 AM »
Sorry i dont use any of the social media thingies for any reason so cant watch or comment
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2024, 07:03:27 AM »
Neither do I. No Tiktok, no Instagram, no Facebook. I use my phone for a... phone and I read only printed newspapers. Youtube can be useful though.
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Re: 72 CB500f Front Brake Caliper/Pad Assembly Issue
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2024, 08:56:11 AM »
I got it!

https://www.tiktok.com/@ricecake727/video/7346984541652880686?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7307342608630777387


I don't typically "Tik Tock" but that was entertaining.  Did you produce that video yourself using an app?

Hello! I fought the TikTok thing for a really long time, because I can't stand the overall desperation of humanity needing constant attention for things that are absolutely unnecessary. BUT. I have found there are so many resources/advice/therapy/comedy that are just floating around for free and I have found that aspect to be pretty great. Yes I make all of the videos myself just using the various tools they have on the Tiktok app :)
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