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Offline Finnigan

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Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« on: May 21, 2024, 09:27:10 PM »
I have a cb750 K6 frame with a 2-point mounting K0 airbag that is beaten up but cool.  Tried to test fit and its touching the frame opposite the carbs.  Are airboxes between years the same size?

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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2024, 11:14:41 AM »
No..........CB750 '69-'70 is unique.........K1-K6 are a group..........F0-F1 and K7-8 may be another group???........but F2-3 is somewhat larger and accommodates their larger carbs. I am pretty sure that filter size is the same for all but the size and shape of the air-inlets vary.
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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2024, 07:57:01 PM »
The mounting tabs on the frame of many K6 bikes are 'off' by a little bit. They are expecting the 086a carbs, which sit ever-so-slightly back from the engine (at their inlet sides) as compared to the more-often-found 657b or 07A carbs, and the front loops of the frame are just slightly more forward (mimicking the F0 frames). To compound this, some of the K6 bikes didn't come with these unique carbs, and those would pull the inlet hoses right off the carbs somewhere around 1990...If your inlet-side airbox ports won't reach to the carbs after bolting on the [top half of the] airbox, you may want to get new inlet-side hoses for the airbox. They shrink (a lot) in 30 years, mostly in length. This difference is about 4-5mm.
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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2024, 08:18:20 PM »
Unfortunately I don't have enough room, the carbs seem to be sticking out too far for the early airbox to even go into place.  Attempting to lovingly force into place left some paint on the oil tank seam.

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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2024, 04:50:45 PM »
The K0 airbox is a wholly different arrangement from the K1 and later versions, and the K0 mounting locations are different as well.
I have seen someone (a rebuilder in Chicago) install a whole K0 bike into a K1 frame before, following a wreck that broke the K0 frame. It had many moved mounting tabs, witnessed by the new welds, including things like the seat lock/latch, which goes to the other side, depending on which side Honda wanted to put it on that year. The K0 airbox is bigger than the later ones (and prettier, being very paintable!).
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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2024, 08:42:58 PM »
I'll eventually buy a later year airbag and try and patina it with new paint.  Good to know I'm not losing my mind at the very end of this build.  Thanks!

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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2024, 06:41:42 AM »
So, admittedly the airbox is from Yamiya and may have slightly different dimensions, but I'm currently running a K0 airbox and carbs in a K1 frame, and things fit just fine.  I'm swapping it to a K0 frame eventually, but I've had no problems with using the 1971 frame until I can.

I can't speak for the K6, because that's far enough out they may have changed things.
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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2024, 06:44:47 AM »
So, admittedly the airbox is from Yamiya and may have slightly different dimensions, but I'm currently running a K0 airbox and carbs in a K1 frame, and things fit just fine.  I'm swapping it to a K0 frame eventually, but I've had no problems with using the 1971 frame until I can.

I can't speak for the K6, because that's far enough out they may have changed things.
K2-K6 have a different frame, what the differences are I don't know as I don't have an earlier frame than the K2.
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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2024, 08:58:50 AM »
The KO also used shorter carb to motor boots which give more room to mount.

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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2024, 02:06:47 PM »
So, admittedly the airbox is from Yamiya and may have slightly different dimensions, but I'm currently running a K0 airbox and carbs in a K1 frame, and things fit just fine.  I'm swapping it to a K0 frame eventually, but I've had no problems with using the 1971 frame until I can.

I can't speak for the K6, because that's far enough out they may have changed things.
Is your engine also a K0, or a K1 made before 11/1971? Those had the shorter intake 'spigot' on the heads, requiring the K0 hoses, which are about 1cm shorter than the later versions.
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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2024, 04:30:33 PM »
K1 head and intake runners, K0 carbs and airbox, on a K1 frame.

I also took the time to measure the mounting tab locations on every frame I have ('70, '71, '72, and '75), and if they are in different locations, they're not different by much.  Again, this may be different for a K6 frame because I don't have one of those to compare.
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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2024, 08:09:25 PM »
I went back to my old notes (had to go find them, I've been lazily using a copy of my own book for a long time), and it's not 1cm (10mm), but 4-5mm (more like 1/2 cm).

Here's what I have, from 2 K0 frames and a K1, K2 and K4 frame:
Carbs and hoses are 65mm each.
The K1, K2 and K4 were 65mm from the carb's hose flange (where the hose is flush to the carb) to the center of the 6mm bolt hole that hangs their airbox.
The K0 bikes were both longer at 69mm and 70mm (2 different bikes, one was near-sandcast) from the face of the hose mount on the carbs' intake flange (not much of a flange) to the center of the 6mm hanger bolt for the airbox.

I measured the K0 bikes and the K1 at Brown's Sport Cycle circa 1970 using a metric tape measure and by looking thru the mounting hole(s) of the airboxes to estimate the end-of-distance (the 0 of the tape measure), noting that the values were different between the K0 and K1. The K2 was/is my own, and measures like the K1 notes I had. The reason for the measuring at the time was the perception that the 'new' K1 airbox didn't "breathe as well", having smaller slots, so someone wanted to know if he could buy an earlier one and fit it to his K1.

I measured the K4 somewhere around 1974 when I worked part-time at Littleton Honda, using [possibly] more questionable hardware: IIRC I used a long aluminum rod thru the mounting holes for the airbox of the K4 and then measured the diameter of that rod, divided by 2, to get it's center dimension. Then I used a (plastic) set of calipers between the rod's side and the hose-stop edge of the #4 carb, converting those readings to metric (it was a cheap set of inch calipers).

The take-away I've always had from this was/is: the distance between the back of the carbs of the K0 bikes to the mounting hole is different, a little bit further. What I did NOT measure, though, and which may have been smarter(?) was: how far forward of the mid-frame downtube is the mounting tab's hole? That might be more consistent?
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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2024, 10:27:08 AM »
Very helpful, thanks for doing that!

There is definitely not enough room on my bike, when my father-in-law brings his sandcast over next time I'll pull the covers off and measure everything to supplement your notes for future questions.

For now I put on these NOS velocity stacks, I guess I can live with the look of these for a little while  ???

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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2024, 10:39:57 AM »
Very helpful, thanks for doing that!

There is definitely not enough room on my bike, when my father-in-law brings his sandcast over next time I'll pull the covers off and measure everything to supplement your notes for future questions.

For now I put on these NOS velocity stacks, I guess I can live with the look of these for a little while  ???
Be sure to support the rear of the carbs with a bracket or you will cause the intake boots to leak/early failure.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2024, 10:44:03 AM »
wasnt aware of that, do the CR31s have brackets to support them too?

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Re: Airbox Size the Same Between K0 and K6?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2024, 10:53:10 AM »
wasnt aware of that, do the CR31s have brackets to support them too?
I don't know about the CR carbs.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A