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I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« on: May 24, 2024, 06:36:18 AM »
Pretty good mechanically, fuel tank leaking like a sieve, looked ok.  Original exhaust in pretty good shape.

Cleaned carbs, tuned it up, replaced wheel bearings, steering head bearing, swing arm bushing.  A lot of trial and error and some rework but have in pretty good shape now.  I bit the bullet and bought a new Yamiya tank for it.  Running like a top, put about 800 miles on it this spring and it handled a 300 mile highway run with no issues.

This forum has been a big help, and I’ll pop in to ask stupid questions from time to time!
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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2024, 07:08:54 AM »
Welcome from Texas. Congrats, looks like a nice bike.

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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2024, 05:09:38 PM »
Welcome from NE Minnesota,

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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2024, 05:15:37 PM »
Welcome aboard the forum from southern NH.
A very nice find with good exhaust.
Did it come with those shorter Euro bars or did you put them on?
I put the Euro bars on my K5.
Stu
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2024, 06:40:59 PM »
Welcome from NC....

Nice looking bike!

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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2024, 02:05:34 AM »
Welcome from the desert southwest of Arizona,
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2024, 07:23:01 AM »
Those were the bars on it when I got it, as were seat and taillight.  I will probably go back to original look when I recover the seat, but i do like the euro style bars and smaller tail light. 

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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2024, 05:03:21 PM »
….. and from Canada! Nice looking machine!

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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2024, 01:12:06 PM »
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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2024, 07:07:05 AM »
Those were the bars on it when I got it...

I have shorter bars on my K4 too, it provides a good riding position.
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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2024, 08:34:10 AM »
Some random, and too long, musings on this bike. 

1.  I don't know why I didn't do this before, but I found the compartment under the seat with the original owners manual and some old registration papers.  This bike "lived" in Portland, Maine, made its way to Boston, then to Chicago in 2009.  My PO bought it in 2014, immediately put over $2K into it at a local shop to get it running good, but looks like he quit riding it and let it sit starting in 2018 (I think he put new tires on in early 2018, according to the date stamp on the tires, which were basically unused when I bought the bike).  In addition to carbs, tuneup, and front brake, he replaced the clutch, the valve cover gasket, the shocks and fixed the stator.  Unfortunately, he also got the tank relined . . . . with Kreem. 

2.  The bike appears to have sat for five years on its side stand with half a tank of ethanol gas in it, out of the weather but non heated.  There were paint bubbles on the left front of the tank caused by fuel leakage.  Damn shame because the original paint job on the tank was in pretty good shape otherwise (see picture after grinding away the rusted out spots, probably not salvagable?).  Time, ethanol and kreem.  The bike would start and run for a minute or two fully choked with a lot of help from the throttle, but couldn't keep it running (didn't really want to with that leaky tank).  Front brake was fully seized.

3.  On the other hand, the engine (23,000 original miles, original working speedometer) had good compression all around and four 341 pipes in not nearly as bad shape as 50 years in the north would suggest.  PO had confirmed that engine tested out in good shape 10 years ago and just needed that valve cover gasket at that time.  The pipes actually polished up OK, some rust spots around but not bad.  One hole not quite the size of a dime, facing up near the beginning of the muffler on pipe 2.  Otherwise, the bike looked like a bike that was 50 years old, was taken care of most of its life and had sat for awhile.  The frame is solid, no rust but not pretty and powdercoated like the restored ones.  All lights and electronics worked and wiring looked in pretty good shape, harnesses may have been replaced at some point.   I made the decision not to pull the engine, unless I found something in the initial work.

4.  Carbs cleaned up nicely.  Looks like they were rebuilt with Keyster kits in 2014 (ie not original jets).  I used new Keyster kits, kept the mains and float valves, changed out gaskets, pilots, screws, springs, rings, etc.  Blew everything out, cleaned up in ultrasonic cleaners and they came out in good shape.  Removing and putting them back on were frankly harder and more frustrating than the rebuild work, which was fun.  Unfortunately, I had to do a bit of rework here.

5.  After I cleaned the carbs, fixed the brake (just a caliper rebuild, master cylinder and brake lines in good shape) and confirmed that static timing was close, I tried to start it up on an aux tank.  To my surprise, it fired right up and ran smoothly on new plugs.  Backfired on rev and slowdown, but that's before tuneup!

6.  Bad decision number 1.  I bought a perfectly serviceable used tank on ebay, whose internal condition was pretty good.  Hadn't been lined before.  I cleaned it out good, dried it out good and installed it.  I rode the bike around town for 10 miles and it ran.  Clutch in great shape, all gears good but in dire need of a tuneup.  Bogged down at 3-4K RPM and idle all over the place.  No surprise.  But then I realized my "cleaning" of the tank invited a bunch of flash rust, which made its way into the carbs.  So had to remove and clean it out again and deal with the tank.  On the good side, no oil leaks.

7.  Bad decision number 2.  How hard can it possibly be to reline a tank?  I tried and failed.  Looked beautiful until the POR 15 lining came off like Saran Wrap.  Bone dry means bone dry I guess.  I suck at that kind of work.

8.  Lets see if we can tune it up property, then decide whether sink more money into the tank, either getting the original one refurbished and painted (probably impossible) or just buying a new one.  Following the rules on the turning the crank not using the advance knob, static timing was spot on, but advance was way off on 1 and 4.  Points lit up like the night sky in a thunderstorm.  I had a bent advance shaft and 10 year old Daichi points.  I made my first Yamiya order for OEM points and condensers and a new advance shaft and got everything tuned up properly after than, including the carb sync.  But still on an aux tank. 

9.  Yamiya was so good, I order a new tank from them and moved over the emblems and trim.  I have their side cpvers and haven't put them on, still using the originals which are in good shape.  I was so excited to put the new tank on that I hooked up the throttle cables backwards.  That was interesting!

10.  It idles at 900 rpm, no hesistation or bog down, runs great through the entire RPM range.  Plugs look like they should.  Solid as can be running down the highway at 75 mph and low 5000s RPM.  I'd like to remount the carbs and intakes (seems like number 4 is a little bit off) but it's running too good to mess with it.

11.  I've since replaced all wheel bearings, rebuilt front forks (new seals and tubes), steering head bearing and swingarm bushing (kibblewhite).  Pulling the whole front end off and unhooking the wiring was a little scary but I got it back together with everything working.  I need those little rubber boots for the warning lights, they've basically disintegrated.  BTW, I didn't need any spacer washer for the new AllBalls tapered steering head bearing to get it back together right and working properly, seemed like everybody else uses the little one, where did I go wrong?? 

12.  After I put everything back together, the wiring in the headlight is beyond ratsnest.  I know that's the way it is, but I think mine is worse than it should be and should probably be redone.  One of my harnesses is too kinked going in and that ain't good.  I'll do that when I figure out those little rubber boots.

13.  Next steps?  Replace seat cover with original look (have the original pan, but one of the POs changed the cover to the "split level"), get wheels trued up by someone who knows what they're doing (actually seem ok but still), maybe Hondaman ignition (makes too much sense) and maybe upgraded front brake line though no issues with front brake performance, its how it should be.  Not messing with the engine until it gives me reason to do so, though it would be nice to get it out and paint it up pretty like some of your restore jobs. 

It's been a fun six months messing with this thing!



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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2024, 02:01:18 PM »
It's a shame about the tank.
I tried to clean out a friend's K1 gold tank a year ago.  It was left with 3/4 tank of gas since 2014. It ended up with pin holes in the top seam. Too many people didn't follow Honda's simple 1970s instructions to empty the tank and fog it with oil for long term storage.

Those rubbers for the dash are available but I don't remember who has just the rubbers.
But if there is corrosion in the sockets just get a new indicator harness.

As far as the stiff harness sheath you can gently heat it with a heat gun to soften it so it flexes again.
Stu
Honda Parts manager in the mid 1970s Nashua Honda
My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2024, 07:09:49 AM »
1. Surprised it is running good with Keyster carb parts, they are known for causing issues when trying to tune.

2.  Most fuel tanks dont need a lining unless there are pin holes, there are a few methods to eliminate the rust on the inside.
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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2024, 12:09:54 PM »
Welcome to the board! Nice write-up on the K4. Really to bad on the tank it looked pretty good. Neglect will kill a nice looking bike. I am a fan of the orange. Good luck as you progress with it. You are doing that K4 good.
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Re: I picked up a cb750 K4 in Chicago in November
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2024, 10:03:43 PM »
11. ...about your steering bearings...if you did not use the small spacer with all ballz bearings, steering stem will be able to insert into the neck so far that the lower triple clamp will rub on the bottom of the neck.  If it is not already, it is because things just have not settled in or you did not drive the lower bearing race in until it stops.  This is a severely dangerous situation and could result in a situation where the steering locks unexpectedly...not good.  Do not ride the bike until you have fixed this or proven me wrong.
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