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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2024, 12:19:08 AM »
Notice the date on that fiche - 7/10/1976.

Here's the one from 1978.
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2024, 06:38:19 AM »
Notice the date on that fiche - 7/10/1976.

Here's the one from 1978.

Thank you. Do you have the full PDF or a link to one?
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2024, 07:47:41 AM »
Very interesting, good luck finding the right gasket in stock.
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2024, 07:54:45 AM »
Very interesting, good luck finding the right gasket in stock.

I found gasket -040 on eBay and 4into1. Got one of each to see if they fit. I will report back in about a week once I have them in hand.
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2024, 08:09:42 AM »
Notice the date on that fiche - 7/10/1976.

Here's the one from 1978.

Thank you. Do you have the full PDF or a link to one?
You can get a pdf of the F2-F3 parts list and other docs from here:
https://www.honda4fun.com/materiale/documentazione-tecnica
Just scroll down to the 750 docs.  :)
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2024, 10:54:04 AM »
Was the gasket ordered from Honda, or aftermarket source?

From American Honda's official parts database, there have been a few supercessions of the gasket part numbers since the original, but the current number 11397-300-306 applies to all years and models of SOHC 750 - K, F, and A models. 

A part number change is done if there is any change at all in specifications, material, or supplier.

Also, if enlarging the hole in the gasket with a 45ACP casing as suggested earlier, be sure there isn't a live primer in it.  :-[

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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2024, 01:54:42 PM »
I checked a K7 case, and the dowel is in the same place as your F3! Once again, FLIP THE GASKET OVER!!! ;D
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2024, 02:40:44 PM »
Which gasket?

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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2024, 02:53:39 PM »
Those 2 gaskets are identical  . one is flipped over!
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2024, 03:10:50 PM »
Right, but on first looking, it  may not be obvious.

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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2024, 03:18:24 PM »
I'm feeling teased...
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2024, 04:29:46 PM »
I'm feeling teased...
:)

Teased or Tested?   LOL

One of those spacial orientation tests!
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2024, 04:45:31 PM »
I'm a +1 for the flip it over camp. I embarrassed myself years ago with the same dilemma. I note the post with different part numbers, an interesting twist. But try the flip side, so to speak.

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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2024, 04:57:35 PM »
So I flipped it and it WORKED. Sorry for being a pill and thanks everyone for stepping in to help. Ozzy, thanks for being persistent. I'm going to walk away with shame now, but maybe one day I can help the next dolt who just needs to flip the damn thing.
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2024, 05:24:03 PM »
That's ok, what I learned is that the late cases have a different location for the serial number and that dowel which I didn't know.
Also, I once installed a cam cover gasket upside down necessitating the removal of the engine to correct so it could always be worse..  ;)
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2024, 05:31:58 PM »
I checked a K7 case, and the dowel is in the same place as your F3! Once again, FLIP THE GASKET OVER!!! ;D
Thanks Scottly! You saved me from catching a flight out there so I could flip the gasket for him!


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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2024, 05:32:30 PM »
I have recently rebuilt a K2 750 engine that had the cam cover and the base gasket upside down. And he had paid a motorcycle engine shop to do it!! Along with a couple of other huge mistakes, what a job.

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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2024, 05:46:37 PM »
I'm curious about something here: is the engine's serial number oriented ACROSS the engine, or LATERALLY with it (i.e., parallel to the drive chain)?
At the end of 750 production there was a sudden, and largely undocumented, change done to the engine cases, and their only witness (that I've seen) is that the serial number got turned 90 degrees from the usual position. There is precious little info available about the cases with that change, although I have seen 8 of them myself. I don't remember having any gasket-hole troubles like this, though, on reassembly?

What's the precious little factoid?
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Re: I'm stumped
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2024, 08:21:06 PM »
I'm feeling teased...
:)

Teased or Tested?   LOL

One of those spacial orientation tests!

I know so little about those very late (and very few) engine cases - the last one I worked on (for someone in WY) was a K8 with the turned-sideways serial number, and the final-drive bearing was different from the normal K8. It was gritty with rust (also odd) from sitting a long time, so I replaced it: when I took it out it was a tapered bearing that came out in 2 pieces (core bearing and outer shell) and it has a reinforcement ring around it to hold the bearing cage (I guess?). I think I still have it, will try to get a picture of it. There was a thick flat spacer (like a washer) on the final-drive shaft to hold the inner race in place, but this amounts to a tapered bearing with no preload method. That alone is odd. It was a normal bearing: I took it to the local bearing supplier and he cross-referenced it and said something like, "Oh, that's just a XYKTYPLX bearing with a roller retainer. That'll be a zillion $$$, please".

...OK...the new one fit up fine, so away it went. (?)

Of curiosity at the time, I tried dropping in a normal final-drive shaft setup (I have a couple of late-K versions and some earlier ones, too, in case someone needs one) with driven gear and it dropped right in, just like a normal K8. So,...??
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