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Offline Jonzilla

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Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« on: July 01, 2024, 07:35:50 AM »
After riding for about 30 minutes yesterday in 90 degree weather, I stopped for about a 5 minute break and when I fired the bike up again it was only running on cylinders 2 & 3.  I decided to take the chance and limp it hope since it wasn't very far, but after I started down the road it suddenly woke up and was running right again.  I rode all the way home with no issues. 

I decided to try and repeat the same conditions when I got home and the same thing happened.  I then sat a fan in front of the engine and after a minute or so it started running right again. 

I haven't done any real troubleshooting yet but I have a theory that I've got a coil that is failing when the bike sits parked with a fully hot engine and then once the air is flowing again, it starts to work properly again. 
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2024, 08:08:17 AM »
More likeley points gap/timing and possibly condenser
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2024, 08:40:26 AM »
If points,  the condenser for the failing cylinders, 1:4. Swap them to see if the problem moves.

Next the coil that fails.

Old type of Dyna-S is described to fail like that. But mostly 2:3 if I remember correctly.
It is possible to be same if rotor is mounted wrong, 1:4 vs 2:3 wires swapped to get it running.

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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2024, 08:59:39 AM »
I forgot to mention I am still running points.  And I've been riding this bike for years with no issues until now.  I may just swap in a new condenser and see how it goes.  It's a cheap enough experiment.
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2024, 12:24:09 PM »
I forgot to mention I am still running points.  And I've been riding this bike for years with no issues until now.  I may just swap in a new condenser and see how it goes.  It's a cheap enough experiment.

Be cautious about buying these condensors now: almost all of them are junk.TEC (Honda's contractor) makes good ones, still, but at prices that will shock you. This is due to the low sales volume compared to the old days. Avoid condensors made by Daiichi China in particular: they are junk straight from their box. There may be some out there from Daiichi Japan (before China got into them), those work OK. There may be some out there marked "FEW", these seem to be from Italy, and usually work fine.

I've actually had better luck using old ones from old OEM points plates bought from eBay!

I also make a Transistor Ignition that will run from the points, without the condensors, if it gets that bad. The 550 cannot support the Dyna S electronics, they use too much power by keeping the coils ON for 350+ degrees instead of 180 degrees of crank revolution, which uses up all the available battery charge power of the 550 when the headlight is ON. My unit faithfully follows the points (and stops their wear), making the bike run normally, electrically speaking: it uses 0.100 amp extra power, total.
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2024, 01:32:05 PM »
I forgot to mention I am still running points.  And I've been riding this bike for years with no issues until now.  I may just swap in a new condenser and see how it goes.  It's a cheap enough experiment.

I've actually had better luck using old ones from old OEM points plates bought from eBay!

I also make a Transistor Ignition that will run from the points, without the condensors.
   As crazy as it sounds, I've done just that. The old OEM stuff works just fine, and I highly recommend your transistor ignition.
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2024, 06:19:49 PM »
I have to agree with Mark. I have been running OE points in all my bikes since day one which is over 50 years. Never had a problem with them. I like the reliability of the TEC stuff.
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2024, 11:29:15 AM »
Ok I got myself a complete original point plate assembly for 25 bucks and replaced the points and condenser for 1&4 with TEC parts.  Now I have all TEC components in there and it seems to have fixed my issue.

I have a question about static timing:  Reading my manual it says to set the timing where the light just lights up at the F mark.  Does that mean to set the timing the the "F" itself?  or the next mark after the F?  There isn't a straight line mark above the F, so I'm not exactly clear.
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2024, 11:38:33 AM »
The marks are different on different advancers, and I'm not sure on your 323 unit. It will be the straight line closest to the F, rather than the straight line closest the T.
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2024, 12:27:17 PM »
See pic for a CB500/550 advancer. It's not that critical as the pic suggests. If your idle aligns with the long leg of the F, 8o BTDC it's also acceptable. Listening to your engine also helps. Do not attempt to adjust timing with engine running. Better: set - check - adjust - check and when needed repeat these steps.
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Re: Not firing cylinders 1 & 4 after engine is hot
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2024, 12:34:31 PM »
Thank you, Delta.
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