Topic: Warning: Inferior Parts from 4into1.com

[newday777]

 
Brake line bolts from 4into1.com are seriously inferior.
I put their short stainless steel brake hose kit on 1.5 years ago. I had to bench bleed the master cylinder a couple days ago, loosened the bolt to bleed, started to tighten with very little torque and bam it breaks at the through hole because of the Chinese pot metal the bolt is made of. The original bolts from Honda are much better steel and don't have a hole drilled all the way through. Do Not use the 4into1.com brake hose bolts.

[rotortiller]

I'd be a little concerned however I have seen on rare occasion certified bolts with defects too, but as you say OEM design is with one hole. You'd have to test a few for torque and compare to the originals, could be a one off or not. What is the shiny black coating on the 4into1 bolt and is it a steel bolt? Neck area looks smaller too?

[newday777]

I'd be a little concerned however I have seen on rare occasion certified bolts with defects too, but as you say OEM design is with one hole. You'd have to test a few for torque and compare to the originals, could be a one off or not. What is the shiny black coating on the 4into1 bolt and is it a steel bolt? Neck area looks smaller too?

The bolts came shinny black, powder coat?
Yes the neck is definitely thinner and the bolts are short.

[newday777]

I had gotten the short throttle cables also when I got the brake hoses and bolts. One of the throttle cable lock nuts was improperly sized for the threads and would not lock tight. They sent another cable but it did the same thing.
A friend brought his bike to me last summer to work on it and brought a bunch of parts he'd bought from them. Carb kits and new floats. I told him to send them back. The float brass was not strong.
They sell junk straight from China. Very poor quality parts and I won't order from them again.

[MauiK3]

Scary stuff!
I have had good luck with Yamiya

[calj737]

For the record, Honda did not manufacturer all the bolts used on their bikes. And comparing vintage carbon steel bolts to a “mystery coated” bolt from Asia is like comparing an apple to a giraffe.

[newday777]

For the record, Honda did not manufacturer all the bolts used on their bikes. And comparing vintage carbon steel bolts to a “mystery coated” bolt from Asia is like comparing an apple to a giraffe.

I know that Cal. I was a part manager in the 70s.
I put this up hopefully that those who might unknowingly order from them will be forewarned.

[extrafunky]

That black banjo bolt is aluminum. 4into1 also sells chrome plated steel banjo bolts. Your choice.

[newday777]

That black banjo bolt is aluminum. 4into1 also sells chrome plated steel banjo bolts. Your choice.

There wasn't an option for chrome steel for the kit.

[HondaMan]

Oww...

I only get the Vesrah gasket kits from them, myself, and once a bit of 'chrome' (plastic) trim for a tank edge. So far they have been real Vesrah kits. I ordered one of their ('generic'?) spark advancers about 4 years ago because someone here bought one and it didn't work right: since then I have seen 2 more. Each one had different springs on them(!), and none of them were correct, advancing far, far too soon on 2 of them and much later, but not full advance, on the 3rd one. I couldn't get the 3rd one to full advance as the engine it was in wouldn't rev past 5000 with it in.

However, the baseplates of all 3 were usable: I found that the post in the middle would fit the Honda advancer cam pretty well, so exchanging the bases worked out  OK in the end, making the original rusted advancers re-usable after all. While they were cheap, if one considers I only used 1/2 of it, that made them about the normal cost? 

[newday777]

The coils my friend got from them seem to be holding up so far along with the plug caps and NGK plugs.

[Mark1976]

For the record, Honda did not manufacturer all the bolts used on their bikes. And comparing vintage carbon steel bolts to a “mystery coated” bolt from Asia is like comparing an apple to a giraffe.

Ok, this is toooo funny.
Anyways,  4 into 1 has always sold a plethora of questionable parts, so choose carefully if that's even possible. I really avoid them for the most part these days, they print 4into1 on so many of their items, I mean really,  who wants 4into1 all over their bike. Ya pay them for the part, ya don't need to advertise for them.

[rotortiller]

Good or bad, I am glad to have many options for vintage parts. Some stand up others do not. I have a Tytronic ignition on mine since 2017 that some people bad-mouthed as Asian inferior garbage. Most American vendors import because domestic manufacturing costs and poor quality would force them out of business. I have a caliper piston from 4into1 I am happy with. We certainly have inferior stuff to choose from too. One or two poorly designed parts do not make all parts from a vendor bad. This post is partially what this forum is about, weeding the lawn.

[newday777]

Good or bad, I am glad to have many options for vintage parts. Some stand up others do not. I have a Tytronic ignition on mine since 2017 that some people bad-mouthed as Asian inferior garbage. Most American vendors import because domestic manufacturing costs and poor quality would force them out of business. I have a caliper piston from 4into1 I am happy with. We certainly have inferior stuff to choose from too. One or two poorly designed parts do not make all parts from a vendor bad. This post is partially what this forum is about, weeding the lawn.

This was about very weak brake line bolts.

[rotortiller]

Yes it started out that way but the story evolved from other posters and not aimed at you. A couple of valid points concerning the selection of banjo parts have been made by several people. Selecting aluminum to replace steel is bad (be this the case?-magnet check is suggested), selecting a bolt with a smaller neck cross-section and/or one weakened by another hole is not ideal, having less thread engagement is not the best either. I know this is not what you want to hear but if it were me I would have tossed the part first before installation based upon what transpired through this informative post.  Your 'spider sense' should have been tingling

[seanbarney41]

Yup, and my spider sense starts tingling as soon as you look at 4-1's prices...not that I have not succumbed to the temptation of trying them.  But guess what?...you DO get what you pay for! (generally)  The economy is obviously false when parts are visibly incorrect and poor quality. 

In my experience, 4-1's parts are useless garbage.

[WideAWAKE]

The only thing cheaper than the parts 4into1 sells is the customer service… GOOD LUCK!

if you do buy from them, do it via Amazon, at least that way you can have a 3rd party force the return if they send you garbage.

[4CM5]

Thanks for the Heads Up. 

[CycleRanger]

I've bought lots of parts from 4-into-1 over the years and haven't had any issues...yet.

[BenelliSEI]

I've bought lots of parts from 4-into-1 over the years and haven't had any issues...yet.

I replaced the oil pressure switch on the Varadero with one from them. It works fine. A couple of weeks ago, I installed the second one (I bought a pair) on the S/C project. I spun the engine over and it sounded like it oiled up right away, but the light stayed on. Installed a gauge and sure enough; the switch is junk.

[Don R]

 Like the man said, you pay your money and take your chances!

[newday777]

Well the clutch cable I bought from 4into1.com decided to let go today at the lever end while out doing errands. I felt a loosening on the last ride but it didn't show any signs when I glanced at it just after I felt it. This cable was the short cable for the Euro bars on my K5 750 that I put on @ 1.5 years ago, maybe 3,000 miles on it.

[dave500]

Yes it started out that way but the story evolved from other posters and not aimed at you. A couple of valid points concerning the selection of banjo parts have been made by several people. Selecting aluminum to replace steel is bad (be this the case?-magnet check is suggested), selecting a bolt with a smaller neck cross-section and/or one weakened by another hole is not ideal, having less thread engagement is not the best either. I know this is not what you want to hear but if it were me I would have tossed the part first before installation based upon what transpired through this informative post.  Your 'spider sense' should have been tingling

i would imagine an aluminium brake line pressure bolt to be illegal and not certified?
ive bought a few cheapie dirt bike master cylinders,very cheap and that bolt has always been steel?

[simon#42]

Yes it started out that way but the story evolved from other posters and not aimed at you. A couple of valid points concerning the selection of banjo parts have been made by several people. Selecting aluminum to replace steel is bad (be this the case?-magnet check is suggested), selecting a bolt with a smaller neck cross-section and/or one weakened by another hole is not ideal, having less thread engagement is not the best either. I know this is not what you want to hear but if it were me I would have tossed the part first before installation based upon what transpired through this informative post.  Your 'spider sense' should have been tingling

i would imagine an aluminium brake line pressure bolt to be illegal and not certified?
ive bought a few cheapie dirt bike master cylinders,very cheap and that bolt has always been steel?

not sure if they are legal or not but i would never use one on a road bike . on a racing bike i would torque them very carefully and only use them once , never retighten them .

[newday777]

Yes it started out that way but the story evolved from other posters and not aimed at you. A couple of valid points concerning the selection of banjo parts have been made by several people. Selecting aluminum to replace steel is bad (be this the case?-magnet check is suggested), selecting a bolt with a smaller neck cross-section and/or one weakened by another hole is not ideal, having less thread engagement is not the best either. I know this is not what you want to hear but if it were me I would have tossed the part first before installation based upon what transpired through this informative post.  Your 'spider sense' should have been tingling

i would imagine an aluminium brake line pressure bolt to be illegal and not certified?
ive bought a few cheapie dirt bike master cylinders,very cheap and that bolt has always been steel?

not sure if they are legal or not but i would never use one on a road bike . on a racing bike i would torque them very carefully and only use them once , never retighten them .

This post was made to warn others of the piss poor quality of the parts that 4into1 sells. I won't buy or recommend anyone buy anything from them. They are Chinese run selling inferior garbage.

[Rookster]

Stu
4 into 1 sells the same stuff that others like Vintage CB750, CB750 Supply and Parts N More does.  They get it from the same distributors.  Know this going in.  When it comes to cables, I buy Motion Pro.  When it comes to brake lines and fittings its either Russell or Earls.  When it comes to seals and gaskets its genuine Honda.  Don't trust the off brand stuff for critical components.  4 into 1 also sells TTR400, Joker Machine, and Emgo parts that are all good quality. Its a matter of knowing what to buy from those places and what not to buy. 

Scott

[70CB750]

I bought brake lines on ebay for the CB900C and reused original banjo bolts because provided bolts were too short.

[newday777]

Stu
4 into 1 sells the same stuff that others like Vintage CB750, CB750 Supply and Parts N More does.  They get it from the same distributors.  Know this going in.  When it comes to cables, I buy Motion Pro.  When it comes to brake lines and fittings its either Russell or Earls.  When it comes to seals and gaskets its genuine Honda.  Don't trust the off brand stuff for critical components.  4 into 1 also sells TTR400, Joker Machine, and Emgo parts that are all good quality. Its a matter of knowing what to buy from those places and what not to buy. 

Scott

Where are you finding Motion Pro cables?

[Rookster]

You can buy them right off the motion pro website.  Orders over $30 ship free. 

Scott

[HondaMan]

Well the clutch cable I bought from 4into1.com decided to let go today at the lever end while out doing errands. I felt a loosening on the last ride but it didn't show any signs when I glanced at it just after I felt it. This cable was the short cable for the Euro bars on my K5 750 that I put on @ 1.5 years ago, maybe 3,000 miles on it.

Boy, THAT is amateur hour for sure! Heck, I used to hand-make cables myself (shortening them), and all it took to make the ball end stay on was to solder the end wires, heat the whole thing up and slide the ball up to the end.

[WideAWAKE]

Stu
4 into 1 sells the same stuff that others like Vintage CB750, CB750 Supply and Parts N More does.  They get it from the same distributors.  Know this going in.  When it comes to cables, I buy Motion Pro.  When it comes to brake lines and fittings its either Russell or Earls.  When it comes to seals and gaskets its genuine Honda.  Don't trust the off brand stuff for critical components.  4 into 1 also sells TTR400, Joker Machine, and Emgo parts that are all good quality. Its a matter of knowing what to buy from those places and what not to buy. 

Scott

True, they may sell SOME of the same stuff but the majority of what vintagecb750 sells compared to 4into1 is much better in quality.

Also, if you have a problem with something vintagecb750 will make it right, while 4into1 won’t even answer emails (don’t even try to call).

I had a mirror I ordered from vintagecb750 but didn’t install it for about 6 months after I bought it, first ride the glass fell out. I emailed them, letting them know, just so they were aware of it. Didn’t ask for a refund or a new part knowing it had been 6 months since I purchased. 2 days later a new mirror showed up in my mail box. That’s how you do it and keep customers. (My new mirror has been without issue for 2 years).

Meanwhile 4into1 has fought tooth and nail to deny returns or refunds on cheap parts they send. I quit using them. If you need to get something they sell, buy it on Amazon through them, that way Amazon can force a return or refund.

[HondaMan]

True, they may sell SOME of the same stuff but the majority of what vintagecb750 sells compared to 4into1 is much better in quality.

This has been my experience with both them, and PartsNmore. PartsNmore even decided to stock the different thicknesses of clutch plates, which is a confusing factor for rebuilders, after we had a long 'talk' about the issues. Once I got some wrong parts by accident from PartsNmore, and they were stellar in their response (and profuse in apology!), some of the most responsive I've met in this industry.

Lately SouthSoundHonda has had trouble getting some of our parts: after I spent some time talking with them, they are interested in trying to prod Honda for some more support, too. That kind of response bodes well as a vendor, IMHO.

[RAFster122s]

It is almost to the point if you need a part where you cannot get OEM you need to ask on the forum about the part to see if others have had good experiences with a vendor, not in the list of vintagecb750, partsnmore, partzilla, cb750 supply...
Some sellers recognize the lifeblood is their reputation and when you damage it or lose it when you are a niche supplier it can be impossible to recover.
Just like Z1 parts built a reputation for quality Zed parts, that reputation rewarded the owner when they decided to step back and sell the company. Luckily the new owner who also picked up Randakk's recognizes this and has tried to keep they quality parts. A few aren't quite as good in case of Randakk's has been my experience but overall, I won't have to worry.
Just like some of the eBay sellers are trustworthy and carry good parts, it is more of a gamble with them.

At least we are not dealing with the mess that CA77/78 and CB77  Dream owners face with misnumbered jumbled part numbers and even distributors cannot straighten out that furball. Mislabeled misidentified parts are the norm there. We don't have that nightmare.