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Due to life circumstances I decided to park my bike for a year or two but it turned into five. Now that summer is over, I've decided it was time to get it back on the road. It was stored inside with non ethanol fuel.

Two carb slides are stuck and one is stiff. I dropped the bowls and two were empty, so I guess they leaked out the drain. One had some pretty clear gas in it. All three of those have floats that still move freely. The fourth one must have gotten some moisture in it; it was full of discoloured fuel and the float is frozen with a bit corrosion on the metal parts.

I'm guessing the bad carb could use a new float and rebuild kit but how do I know if the other ones need kits or just a cleaning? Are the kits from VintageCB70 any good? They seems affordable but not suspiciously so and since they are in Canada shipping will be quick and easy. But if they aren't any good, where to get them from?

The old battery is dead. It is the one that come with the bike, so I'm not surprised. I hear Yuasa are good but what about Parts Unlimited AGM batteries? Good reviews and half the price...

When I was riding it last, I was getting clutch slipping. I did pull the clutch apart and measured the components and they were all good. I thought I've read somewhere that even when they are in spec, clutches can start to slip just from age. Is this true?

Looks like some wetness around the master cylinder fittings. Does that mean it would like a rebuild? VintageCB750 kit okay?

I'm not looking for trouble, so I won't ask about oil. It looks like it's all drained out of the tank, so I'll just drain it from the sump.

What else would you do to a bike getting back on the road after five years. Except for the clutch slipping, it was running well when parked.

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2024, 10:46:15 PM »
just clean your carbs thoroughly, I doubt there is any reason to replace anything.  I regularly rebuild carbs that have been sitting for 20, 30, even 40 years and ONLY the o-rings need to be replaced
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2024, 12:49:28 AM »
Welcome back to your bike.
Don't buy any aftermarket carb kits. They will bite you in the butt. The brass parts are not made to the original Keihin sizes and specs and you will be fighting to get it running properly because of the poor quality of the parts to save money. I know it hurts the pocket to get such a small box of parts from Honda but if you want to have the least problems with your carbs do not skimp as many have foolheartly have done without asking.
As Sean said clean your carbs first, use an Ultrasonic cleaner to get the best results for cleaning the insides followed up with spray carb cleaner.
Clean all the stock Keihin brass parts including the float valves and inspect the valve tips for wear marks. You may only have fine particles of rust in the float valves from surface rust in the tank (that the tank needs derusting, so empty and inspect the tank for surface rust! Borrow a loaner bore scope from an auto parts store to inspect the inside of the tank)
Clean up the float brass parts with a small brass cleaning brush(non magnetic from a hardware store, put a magnet on the brass!). Check the edges of the float towers for any edges where the float hangs up on(Hondaman goes into this in his book on restoration in http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,65293.0.html

Yes drain the oil, as it has sumped from sitting unused and possibly may be deluted from gas leakage into the cylinders past the rings. Does it kick over still? Have you kicked the motor over occasionally while it sat to keep the rings from rusting? Or did you put any oil in the spark plug holes to lube the cylinders yet? If they are stuck, a 50/50 mix of acetone and Marvel Mystery Oil for 3-4 days soaking helps free up the rings, then suck out the excess with a turkey baster and clear tubing or a Mighty Vac type bleeder.(do this before you change the oil)

Battery,  get an AGM battery. I bought a Yuasa AGM from my local shop for @$50 here in NH, cheaper than online even. They might have bought it through Parts Unlimited??
John, BenelliSEI has been buying a Weeze(?) AGM and likes them?

Clutch slip, can be from using the wrong oil. Friction modifiers in oil will cause slippage. You want to get Jasco rated oil. Belray EXL 4T Mineral is a good oil for our wet clutch that HondaMan recommends in 20w50 (if you are in hot weather still or will be storing it for the winter until next spring?). I use Shell Rotella 15w40(in my K5 750 and my goldwings for over 250,000 miles combined) for cooler than 65°F weather riding(yes it is Diesel oil with no friction modifiers and works well in our wet clutch motors)

Master cylinder wetness, how old is the brake fluid before you put the bike away 5 years ago?? Did you keep it flushedcand bled every 2 years or less? It might just need flush/bleed if fluid is clear.
Suck out the old brake fluid from the master with a turkey baster/Mighty vac, especially if it is dark color now(should be clear to the bottom!) If the wetness is at the hose bolt, new copper crush washers will stop that leakage. Are the hoses old rubber? Replace them with new hoses, (not used as some think they can cheap out with), to get the best braking power. Then flush and bleed the brake caliper with new bottle of Dot4 racing fluid (higher boiling point)
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2024, 06:54:46 AM »
I guess an ultrasonic cleaner is on my shopping list. I had a quick look at Vevor ones online and a third of all reviews mention carbs, so I guess they are very popular for that. I can see me wanting to use it for other parts in the future as well. What size do have? Mix 10:1 with Simple Green? Should the carbs be fully disassembled before going in the tank or can it go in assembled?

I was smart enough to occasionally kick the engine over a bit, so it's turning just fine.

The five years I was riding my CB750, mostly as my daily driver, I used the same motorcycle oil, but never got clutch slipping until the end of that period. I did see Hondaman's post about the Bel Ray oil and it's already on the way. Hopefully this will cure it. I live in the Pacific Northwest, so I will be riding it as soon as it's up and running.

I can't remember when I last changed the brake fluid, but I do have a Mighty Vac and I'll change it before riding. I'll have to have a closer look at the fittings to see exactly where the wetness was coming from.

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2024, 07:35:41 AM »
how are the brake hoses?
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2024, 07:49:00 AM »
At least ten years old but I'll have a look tonight when I get back home.

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2024, 07:52:40 AM »
John, BenelliSEI has been buying a Weeze(?) AGM and likes them?

John buys KMG batteries from Kapsco Moto in Canada....

https://www.kapscomoto.com/us/motorcycle-electrical-parts/power-wiring/batteries.html

I had not heard of that brand so I looked them up, they are sold at WalMart here in the States [I have not bought one]

https://www.walmart.com/browse/household-essentials/batteries/kmg/1115193_1076905/YnJhbmQ6S01H
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2024, 07:16:53 PM »
You don't have to buy an ultrasonic.  Buy Gunk brand carb cleaner in gallon dunk bucket.  Cleans way better and faster than ultrasonic...but this stuff is not environmentally friendly.  If you do ultrasonic, no simple green!, it will discolor the aluminum, just distilled water and dawn dish soap works as good as anything else.  But you still need to confirm all orifices and passages are clear by spraying carb cleaner through or compressed air.
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2024, 08:47:28 AM »
IMHO a good Vevor ultrasonic works GREAT.....my K2 carb bodies looked like new after using the aircraft simple green.

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2024, 08:52:12 AM »
" just distilled water and dawn dish soap works as good as anything else"

Exactly what I do!

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2024, 07:58:51 PM »
The 750K2 (like mine!) is easy to reawaken.
The carbs: pull out the idle jets (#40 size) and soak them [in any of the fluids mentioned above, or even lacquer thinner or new gasoline] and run a fine wire (like 1 strand from a multi-strand 16 or 18 gage wire) thru the fuel hole to make sure it is clear. It's so tiny it is hard to see if clear!

Pull out the mainjet emulsifiers (8mm wrench) and clean them and their mainjets, screw 'em back in. Pull the float pins (so the float valve will fall out and send you on a search) ONE AT A TIME (if carbs are still on the bike) and soak them clean in any carb solvent (or Brake Clean, etc.) and stick them back into the same carb.

When you're done riding for this year: fill up the gas tank (I always add about 2 ounces of oil to every fillup because the engine likes it, the carbs won't then corrode when dried out, and the gas won't go bad in 3 months) and DO NOT DRAIN the carbs: instead, make yourself a poster on the garage door that reminds you to open the fuel petcock for 5 minutes each month to re-fill the carbs. Then they won't need any cleaning or anything next Spring. I call this 'wet storage' and it works exceedingly better than any for of 'dry storage' when the bike will be ridden again within 12 months.
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2024, 08:07:53 PM »
> just distilled water and dawn dish soap works as good as anything else

Just curious: what happens if I use tap water instead of distilled? How much Dawn soap? Just a squirt or a measurable amount?

> The 750K2 (like mine!) is easy to reawaken.

That's great!

> When you're done riding for this year...

It's not always perfect out but I have a bike on the road every month of the year.

> how are the brake hoses?

Close examination shows some cracking on the surface as the top of the lower hose. I guess new ones are in order. Genuine Honda parts only?



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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2024, 08:13:48 PM »
> just distilled water and dawn dish soap works as good as anything else

Just curious: what happens if I use tap water instead of distilled? How much Dawn soap? Just a squirt or a measurable amount?

> The 750K2 (like mine!) is easy to reawaken.

That's great!

> When you're done riding for this year...

It's not always perfect out but I have a bike on the road every month of the year.

> how are the brake hoses?

Close examination shows some cracking on the surface as the top of the lower hose. I guess new ones are in order. Genuine Honda parts only?




Genuine Honda parts always fit the best, but aftermarket brake lines are usually OK. I've used them when Honda was out of stock, from places like Z1 Enterprises. They have nice, fancier-than-Honda ones, too, if you want to dress them up, and also have the non-rubber type like so many later bikes use to [slightly] increase braking force. Note that the non-rubber ones tend to give up a little sooner over time (in my experience), probably just because they are not quite as flexible. Racers liked them for the better "feel" at the lever.
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2024, 09:40:44 PM »
I have seen tap water form, what I think are mineral deposits, when used for extended sessions in the ultra sonic.  It looks similar to that white powdery corrosion you see in old carbs often but it wipes off easily and dissolves in wd40.  Nonetheless, a 40 pilot jet orifice is certainly gonna be easily blocked by this stuff.

As far as dawn to water ratio?...not sure on that as I don't have my own ultrasonic, a friendly local shop is happy to let me use theirs if I help out while it's running.  I will ask and report back.  I have noticed they will just add more dawn and water as it gets dirty and evaporates from use until it is too dirty to be used and must be changed out entirely.  The dang thing is probably running 3-4 days a week all day.  A really dirty set of carbs may take 2 hours or more in there, depending on how much scrubbing you feel like doing.  That's why I mentioned the Gunk brand carb cleaner buckets...10 or 15 minutes in that stuff and its fargin' clean!
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2024, 07:20:57 AM »
Where do you guys get part numbers from these days? I used to go to a Honda dealer website that had all the high resolution parts diagrams with numbers, but I can't remember the name of the website. I've tried searching but all the ones I can find don't go back to 1972 or are difficult to use (Partzilla won't let me scroll the image, so I can't see the lower part of the image).

I have a PDF of a parts manual but it's so low resolution that it's hard to use. Does anybody have a high resolution copy?

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2024, 07:26:04 AM »
Where do you guys get part numbers from these days?

I like the partzilla website...

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/1972/cb750k2-a-750-four

Their shipping can be a little high, though.  I will typically Google the part number to check my options.

PS.  I dont have an issue with the Partzilla website but I am using a desktop computer.
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2024, 10:50:54 AM »
I use CMSL for parts numbers, as they go back to 69 and before, where as Partzilla and south sound Honda  only go to 1976.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2024, 05:06:17 PM »
South sound can find earlier bikes,  scroll to end of list and select “Models with No Year”
It then gives you a long list of bikes with serial numbers, choose wisely grasshopper and you will be rewarded….
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2024, 06:08:35 PM »
Well lookie there.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2024, 07:44:34 AM »
...where as Partzilla and south sound Honda  only go to 1976.

No, I posted the Partzilla fiche for his K2 above...

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/1972/cb750k2-a-750-four
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2024, 01:40:17 PM »
It's been a busy week but oil, battery and a 10 liter ultrasonic cleaner are on the way.

I've never dealt with part-bike-honda.ca but they sell genuine Honda parts so I'll probably get my carb gasket set (16010-300-305) from them.

Can't wait to get it running again.

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2024, 12:49:49 PM »
I've been taking my carbs apart one at a time and cleaning them. I'm glad to see all Keihin parts inside them but from what I've read the main jet should be 110 or 105, depending on when in the year it was made. The ones in the bike are 120. The bike is pretty much all stock. Is there any good reason they might have been switched? How will it run with them being this size? Should I switch back?

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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2024, 03:58:22 PM »
Might be right for B750A and 7A model carbs. Do you have any identifying marks on your carbs?

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2024, 07:46:15 PM »
If the K2 carbs are NOT labelled "657B" then they are not K2 carbs, but possibly something earlier from a K1. The K2 did get some "675A" carbs in builds near 11/71, but they are pretty rare. The 657A carbs started out with #120 mainjets for about 1 month of early K1 builds, but quickly went to #115 and finally to #110 by the summer of 1971.

Some folks thought that just changing the mainjets from the "too lean" #105 in the majority of K2 carbs would magically make the missing 3 HP reappear, but the pipes and cam were different, so the mainjet also had to change - to #105. Most of the time, running a #110 or larger mainjet in the K2 will simply cause sparkplug fouling.
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Re: 1972 CB750 - five years sitting: carbs, carb kits, battery and more
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2024, 05:51:28 PM »
I was just in the basement and the carbs are marked 657A, so either they are a bit rare or they aren't original to the bike. Should I switch them to 110? Are these jets readily available? I've looked around online and can only find 120 from Honda suppliers.

I spoke to soon about the Keihin parts in the carbs. The first one I opened up had the Keihin main jet but the other three were aftermarket ones. I also didn't see the K on the needle jet holders, does that mean they are all aftermarket? Should they be replaced?